sky news debate

[Welshbeef]

NailedOn said:

We'd be lucky if it was as low as 38%.
A pal of mine who is old school Labour recently used the expression 'F;;ck the shareholders,' in reponse to some news item.
A week or two later he asked my advice on his pension fund. It was not showing the level of predicted pension he was hoping for. This pal is holds down a senior post and is bright enough. But trying to explain to him the relationship between profits and pensions was almost impossible.
Labour: Profits are bad. Simple as that.

Did you explain to him that G Brown stealth taxes stripped £50billion from pension funds and continues to this day -- so why he black hole or oddly enough a similar value....


I've family members who are staunch labour too yet come to me about £ questions and then its oh yea but that's only for the bankers nasty bankers (always saying it twice the second time replacing the B for W).

Mindless - though they are very bright all first class degree.

[bitchstewie]

groucho said:

I find it totally bizarre that people have such short memories and how Labour can have such a following.

Whilst I agree, and it would be easy to simply say people are stupid, if you genuinely don't want to vote conservative who do you vote for if you want your vote to actually count vs. simply be a protest vote?

Of course there are parts of the country where you could slap a red rosette on a pig and have a porcine MP, but the choices do kind of come down to whether you want to be kicked in the right or left nut - whichever you choose it's going to be rather unpleasant.

[BlackLabel]

A poll done on fri and sat suggests that Miliband gained most from that 'debate'.

politics.co.uk said:

Among those who watched the whole programme, Labour has a ten point lead according to YouGov. They also have a five-point lead among those who only saw clips or reports about it. Overall, among those who saw at least some of the debate, 49% said Miliband came across better, with just 34% saying Cameron. This is a stunning finding given how much better the prime minister's ratings are than Miliband's.

This shows exactly why Cameron and his advisers have been so keen to avoid head-to-head debates with the Labour leader and why Labour have done everything they can to pressure Cameron into accepting them. Central to the Tory election campaign is the idea that Miliband is simply unelectable as prime minister. Before this week, this was a very easy argument for the Tories to make. Miliband's strong performance on Thursday has made that argument very much harder. With at least one leader's debate still to happen, things are not looking good for the Tories

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/03/29/tory-panic-as-miliband-gets-big-post-debate-poll-boost

[Asterix]

I think the general consensus on that one is everyone expected him to be absolutely useless but he upgraded himself to rather rubbish - so his stock has risen.

[groucho]

Asterix said:

I think the general consensus on that one is everyone expected him to be absolutely useless but he upgraded himself to rather rubbish - so his stock has risen.

No, everybody expected him to be abysmal but he came across as fking useless.

I don't even see how people think he did OK. His debating skills are the worst I've seen in somebody whose job hinges on that exact skill. I think I could have done better with a few months to get familiar with the topics, and that is saying something. I get quite angry about the blindness of the populous to the obvious that was right in front of their eyes.

If he can do that badly and come out on top then we are fked.

Edited by groucho on Sunday 29th March 14:46

[BlackLabel]

"Labour is giving away 'Hell Yes' T-shirts to party donors after Ed Miliband used the phrase when questioned about whether he was "tough enough" for Downing Street."

http://news.sky.com/story/1454501/labour-uses-mili...

[CAFEDEAD]

That way he said that was so awkward.

[MiniMan64]

Occasionally the PH collective needs to remember that as a forum collective we're somewhere to the right of UKIP. Therefore we might be in disbelief about Milliband being a success but there are A LOT of people out there who like him, genuinely think he could and should be PM. I'm a teacher so I automaically see a lot of this, the staffroom charter Thursday was all about how impressive he was (As you can imagine indont talk politics at work!)

Don't think that although most people here share an opinion that is the majority opinion of the country.

Edited by MiniMan64 on Sunday 29th March 17:39

[davepoth]

MarshPhantom said:

davepoth said:

IMO The current incarnation of Labour doesn't do much to attract floating voters at all - but there's such a number of people who would vote for Labour even if the leader was a potted plant and their only policy was "kill everybody" that their vote is holding up despite the current political climate.

Tory voters are no different, worse even.

I'd disagree; certainly in my home town at least, when the Tories made a particularly unpopular policy (poll tax) we binned the minister responsible and switched to the Lib Dems. I'd argue that the average Tory voter is somewhat less ideologically driven - that's the nature of capitalism after all.

[mikal83]

Yeh that poll tax eh. Little old grannie sitting in a large house paying more than say 4 working adults in a smaller house.......for the same services. Awfull.

[andy43]

BlackLabel said:

A poll done on fri and sat suggests that Miliband gained most from that 'debate'.

politics.co.uk said:

Among those who watched the whole programme, Labour has a ten point lead according to YouGov. They also have a five-point lead among those who only saw clips or reports about it. Overall, among those who saw at least some of the debate, 49% said Miliband came across better, with just 34% saying Cameron. This is a stunning finding given how much better the prime minister's ratings are than Miliband's.

This shows exactly why Cameron and his advisers have been so keen to avoid head-to-head debates with the Labour leader and why Labour have done everything they can to pressure Cameron into accepting them. Central to the Tory election campaign is the idea that Miliband is simply unelectable as prime minister. Before this week, this was a very easy argument for the Tories to make. Miliband's strong performance on Thursday has made that argument very much harder. With at least one leader's debate still to happen, things are not looking good for the Tories

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/03/29/tory-panic-as-miliband-gets-big-post-debate-poll-boost

Anyone remember that the first polls held before the media had a chance to stick their oars in showed Cameron as the winner?

After a day or so of various headlines, labour soundbites and obviously unbiased 'commentator' opinions, amazing, Miliband is hailed as the clear victor. Strong performance

Getting dizzy yet, or is it just me?

[NicD]

mikal83 said:

Yeh that poll tax eh. Little old grannie sitting in a large house paying more than say 4 working adults in a smaller house.......for the same services. Awfull.

exactly. I thought the poll tax was fair, couldn't understand why they buckled to the mob.

[davepoth]

mikal83 said:

Yeh that poll tax eh. Little old grannie sitting in a large house paying more than say 4 working adults in a smaller house.......for the same services. Awfull.

I was only eleven at the time. Don't judge me.

[whoami]

NicD said:

mikal83 said:

Yeh that poll tax eh. Little old grannie sitting in a large house paying more than say 4 working adults in a smaller house.......for the same services. Awfull.

exactly. I thought the poll tax was fair, couldn't understand why they buckled to the mob.

Agreed.

[SpeedMattersNot]

MiniMan64 said:

Occasionally the PH collective needs to remember that as a forum collective we're somewhere to the right of UKIP. Therefore we might be in disbelief about Milliband being a success but there are A LOT of people out there who like him, genuinely think he could and should be PM. I'm a teacher so I automaically see a lot of this, the staffroom charter Thursday was all about how impressive he was (As you can imagine indont talk politics at work!)

Don't think that although most people here share an opinion that is the majority opinion of the country.

Edited by MiniMan64 on Sunday 29th March 17:39

My wife's a teacher and my Facebook is regularly spammed with Labour tweets and articles from the Guardian. But these deluded fools who believe their lives will ultimately be better when (not if) they get into power again, are just as deluded as all of the blind bats who follow any one particular party and rubbish any other parties every move.

Sadly the football team mentality is rife amongst the majority of voters.

[mikal83]

whoami said:

Agreed.

Well if you remember who organized all the protest marches at the time. I loved the poll tax, my council tax was halved.

[andy43]

I have seen the light.



Ed IS tough enuss enough.



See, he said so.

[CAFEDEAD]

andy43 said:

WTF is he doing? I think he's broken his leg.

[davepoth]

CAFEDEAD said:

andy43 said:

WTF is he doing? I think he's broken his leg.

To be fair he does look like he's about to fall over in around 50% of all the photos I ever see of him.

[Laurel Green]

davepoth said:

CAFEDEAD said:

andy43 said:

WTF is he doing? I think he's broken his leg.

To be fair he does look like he's about to fall over in around 50% of all the photos I ever see of him.

He should exercise more and stop eating the cakes.