Should England's money be spent in Scotland?
Discussion
Yes and no.
Yes that some areas of the country will inevitably need more help than others.
No when there is a differentiation in the services that are provided and no when there are parts of England needing a boost as much as, or more than, Scotland and not getting it.
Centrally provided services should be standard across the country with the same bars to access etc. Do that, along with gearing the services provided to a level where taxes and our deficit/national debt aren't so ruinous and I wouldn't care on how much Scotland gets to anyone else.
If locals want better service provision in their own area, they can pay for it via local taxes.
Yes that some areas of the country will inevitably need more help than others.
No when there is a differentiation in the services that are provided and no when there are parts of England needing a boost as much as, or more than, Scotland and not getting it.
Centrally provided services should be standard across the country with the same bars to access etc. Do that, along with gearing the services provided to a level where taxes and our deficit/national debt aren't so ruinous and I wouldn't care on how much Scotland gets to anyone else.
If locals want better service provision in their own area, they can pay for it via local taxes.
RobinOakapple said:
I've never been to Scotland, and am not planning on going. I would be quite happy if they were to quietly go away.
Have you ever been to the Falkland islands? Are you planning to go? I very much enjoy Scotland and have been many times. They make fantastic whisky (which single-handedly justifies the existence of any place in my view
) but they also have some great landscapes, roads, walking/biking trails, railway and boat trips. The shooting and fishing is fantastic, there are many interesting historic sites to visit as well.xjsdriver said:
I think the mistake is entirely of your own making - the majority of posters on here are of a right-wing bent - some ferociously so - in fact, so much so they come across as raving bellends who will brook no further discussion if someone else has the temerity to challenge their political viewpoint.
And is scotland more left wing then the english?xjsdriver said:
As for Scotland's spending it's been under control for the last two parliaments.
Yep i can't disagree there not once has the scottish government borrowed a single penny unlike those w
kers in westminsterRemind me the date that holyrood was given powers to borrow?
Oh yeah
Its next year
arp1 said:
Haha what a ridiculous thread! We are one nation so the money goes around... Mansion tax to scotland, scottish waters oil to London, what goes around comes around... The bile and hatred and casual racism to Scotland however is miserable and no wonder the 45 wanted out!
So why do Scottish students not pay tuition fees then?Murph7355 said:
Yes and no.
Yes that some areas of the country will inevitably need more help than others.
No when there is a differentiation in the services that are provided and no when there are parts of England needing a boost as much as, or more than, Scotland and not getting it.
Centrally provided services should be standard across the country with the same bars to access etc. Do that, along with gearing the services provided to a level where taxes and our deficit/national debt aren't so ruinous and I wouldn't care on how much Scotland gets to anyone else.
If locals want better service provision in their own area, they can pay for it via local taxes.
Completly agree. It's a central pot of money, not England's or Wales or Scotland's. What about if the Mansion Tax was spent in Wales, Yorkshire or Cornwall?? It's the same principle. It's taking money from one area and redistributing to an area that needs it. Yes that some areas of the country will inevitably need more help than others.
No when there is a differentiation in the services that are provided and no when there are parts of England needing a boost as much as, or more than, Scotland and not getting it.
Centrally provided services should be standard across the country with the same bars to access etc. Do that, along with gearing the services provided to a level where taxes and our deficit/national debt aren't so ruinous and I wouldn't care on how much Scotland gets to anyone else.
If locals want better service provision in their own area, they can pay for it via local taxes.
Now the issue with Scotland is that they have decided to have extra funding into Uni tuition and NHS so does this extra Tax make up the shortfall?? That I don't think is fair but that needs to be discussed between governments. As Murphy said, if they want to have extra funding then they should raise the money themselves.
arp1 said:
Haha what a ridiculous thread! We are one nation so the money goes around... Mansion tax to scotland, scottish waters oil to London, what goes around comes around... The bile and hatred and casual racism to Scotland however is miserable and no wonder the 45 wanted out!
Blaming others, bile, casual racism & being miserable. Just remember arp1 - this is what Nationalists are ALL about.
Absolutely hilarious to see you wanting your cake one minute (the oil is Scottish!) and eat it the next (mansion tax is a UK resource).
Are you a Nationalist?
arp1 said:
Devolved powers and the decision to do so
don't be disingenuous, we all know the mechanics of how it is possible.What we English don't get is how anyone can support this while saying 'its one pot of money' and 'I don't understand the bile towards us?'
Either it is 'one country' or its I will huff and puff and screw the best deal.
So which is it?
McWigglebum4th said:
[quote=arp1The bile and hatred and casual racism to Scotland however is miserable and no wonder the 45 38% wanted out!
As a nationalist you must be pleased to see the english showing their true colours you go on abt the evil nats hating the english etc but by golly when you come into here the absolute hatred and language to the Scots is hateful and racist and all the rest of it, and you are happy with it? Ffs man take a long hard look at yourselfarp1 said:
McWigglebum4th said:
arp1 said:
The bile and hatred and casual racism to Scotland however is miserable and no wonder the 45 38% wanted out!
As a nationalist you must be pleased to see the english showing their true colours you go on abt the evil nats hating the english etc but by golly when you come into here the absolute hatred and language to the Scots is hateful and racist and all the rest of it, and you are happy with it? Ffs man take a long hard look at yourselfI f
king loath you nationalistsHowever you believe you are the true voice of scotland
You aren't
You are nothing more then a feckless little class warrior
And you STILL cannot answer the question
Are you glad to see the english hating you?
Tannedbaldhead said:
If you change that question to should a wealthy and densely populated part of the UK subsidise a less wealthy less densely populated part of the UK which suffers terrible diseconomies of scale the answer is yes.
Why is the answer yes?People can choose where they live. It's the same with people bleating on about rural broadband speeds. If you want to live in a sparsely populated (and frequently very beautiful) area of the country where the average house price is half that of the South East and a quarter that of London, then that's your right, but why should you have all the benefits but then expect the rest of the country to subsidise the downsides?
I just had a look at property prices. I could sell my suburban three bed semi in Surrey and buy one in somewhere called Pitlochry (selected at random on the map. I have no idea what it's like) and have the best part of £300k left over. Tell me again why I'd need subsidising up there?
Kermit power said:
I just had a look at property prices. I could sell my suburban three bed semi in Surrey and buy one in somewhere called Pitlochry (selected at random on the map. I have no idea what it's like) and have the best part of £300k left over. Tell me again why I'd need subsidising up there?
Its awful
Interesting that burger and arp1 seem to be reluctant to brand themselves Nationalists.
History tells us that Nationalism is rarely a sustainable path to sucess or happiness.
Even when the messages of hatred and bile manage to motivate a disturbingly large proportion of the population, the fundementally divisive and unfulfillable promises catch up with them in the end.
The last big nationalist surge went from origins of around 5% of the vote, surged to 45% of the vote (hmm familiar...) within 10 years on the promise of equality, removing poverty and blaimng others for their woes. Once in power they installed a dictatorship to remain in power forever, but within 10 years the lies and bile caught up with them and it all went pear shaped - support effectively fell away to 0%. Perhaps 45% is the typical proportion of a population that is gullible enough to be susceptible to Nationalist nonsense.
The UK is better together. It remains to be seen how much damage Scotlands flirt with Nationalism will do to the UK. Germany recovered (and renited of course) very successfully.
History tells us that Nationalism is rarely a sustainable path to sucess or happiness.
Even when the messages of hatred and bile manage to motivate a disturbingly large proportion of the population, the fundementally divisive and unfulfillable promises catch up with them in the end.
The last big nationalist surge went from origins of around 5% of the vote, surged to 45% of the vote (hmm familiar...) within 10 years on the promise of equality, removing poverty and blaimng others for their woes. Once in power they installed a dictatorship to remain in power forever, but within 10 years the lies and bile caught up with them and it all went pear shaped - support effectively fell away to 0%. Perhaps 45% is the typical proportion of a population that is gullible enough to be susceptible to Nationalist nonsense.
The UK is better together. It remains to be seen how much damage Scotlands flirt with Nationalism will do to the UK. Germany recovered (and renited of course) very successfully.
Edited by ///ajd on Sunday 29th March 10:19
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