Should England's money be spent in Scotland?

[simoid]

We're one country. Scotland voted to stay in the United Kingdom. The nationalists want us to fall divided and have the support of a significant minority who cannot or will not see the damage.

Hopefully Scotland will begin to see the wood and trees soon enough and we can return to pulling in similar directions, without the political equivalent of nationalist internet trolls from Holyrood trying to stir up resentment around the UK.

Nationalists as usual going for divide and rule - and it's even spreading to the other scottish politicians who fear being seen as "anti-Scottish" as labelled by the SNP.

[NicD]

arp1 said:

Blame the Tories

What? Is the best you can do?

You have answered your own question why the English could dislike people like you.

[Sir Humphrey]

It should be spent by the people who earned it, wherever they like.

[McWigglebum4th]

NicD said:

arp1 said:

Blame the Tories

What? Is the best you can do?

You have answered your own question why the English could dislike people like you.

the default answer from nationalists


Blame someone else

As it can't be the fault of a true scot as they are superior to you

[arp1]

Quite right! Scotland keeps the oil then?

Ps, nationalist and proud.

Wiggles, are you a Brit-nat?

[McWigglebum4th]

arp1 said:

Quite right! Scotland keeps the oil then?

Ps, nationalist and proud.

Wiggles, are you a Brit-nat?

I belive scotland is stronger without a deeply left wing authoritarian bunch of idiots running it


I am a right wing libertarian

Which makes me the exact opposite of the SNP

[arp1]

But are you a brit-nat?

[simoid]

arp1 said:

Quite right! Scotland keeps the oil then?

Ps, nationalist and proud.

Wiggles, are you a Brit-nat?

Proud of being a nationalist? Why?

Usually when people express pride, it's because they've done a good thing or have something to feel superior about.

Edited by simoid on Sunday 29th March 10:55

[McWigglebum4th]

arp1 said:

But are you a brit-nat?

I belive scotland is stronger without idiots like you being in charge




And as for you being impatient because i refuse to answer you question then you have nothing to say as you refuse to answer this question since the beginning



And you STILL cannot answer the question


Are you glad to see the english hating you?

[arp1]

Not particularly however some hatred has always been there unfortunately...

Now, are you a Brit-nat?

[///ajd]

arp1 said:

Not particularly however some hatred has always been there unfortunately...

Now, are you a Brit-nat?

I am not a Brit Nat, or any form of Nationalist.


When you say "some hatred has always been there unfortunately" - are you referring to your own hatred of the english? Or do you actually believe "the english" (as if they are somehow homogeneous) have some hatred towards the scots?!?

What is it about being a Nationalist that makes you proud?

What is it that is specifically important about being a Nationalist?

What is it that is different about being a Nationalist, and say supporting being in the UK or in the EU?

Edited by ///ajd on Sunday 29th March 11:09

[arp1]

I am deeply proud of my nation and that happens to be Scotland. My views stem from growing up seeing the inequality we suffer and have suffered over the years. Independence is my ultimate goal but for now I would settle for a larger voice in parliament to press scotlands needs on a national level.

If I lived in England I would still be a nationalist I'm quite sure, and for different reasons.

So, if not a Brit Nat what are you?

[McWigglebum4th]

///ajd said:

I am not a Brit Nat, or any form of Nationalist.


When you say "some hatred has always been there unfortunately" - are you referring to your own hatred of the english? Or do you actually believe "the english" (as if they are somehow homogeneous) have some hatred towards the scots?!?

What is it about being a Nationalist that makes you proud?

What is it that is specifically important about being a Nationalist?

What is it that is different about being a Nationalist, and say supporting being in the UK or in the EU?

Edited by ///ajd on Sunday 29th March 11:09

And as a nationalist

What makes you different or better then the english?

[McWigglebum4th]

arp1 said:

I am deeply proud of my nation and that happens to be Scotland. My views stem from growing up seeing the inequality we suffer and have suffered over the years. Independence is my ultimate goal but for now I would settle for a larger voice in parliament to press scotlands needs on a national level.

So why should 10% of the population have more then 10% of the say in how the UK should be run


What percentage of the MPs should scotland have

Would you be happy with less then 50%?



And no i am not a brit-nat as i want to see what is best for scotland and people like me

[User33678888]

Could we try a year long trial period? Keep scottish taxpayers tax in Scotland and English in England, Welsh in Wales... and just watch and wait. The numbers don't add up. English taxpayers are subsidising Scottish university students every fking year whilst if my kids want to study in Scotland they are treated as foreigners. Equality has to work both ways.

[///ajd]

arp1 said:

I am deeply proud of my nation and that happens to be Scotland. My views stem from growing up seeing the inequality we suffer and have suffered over the years. Independence is my ultimate goal but for now I would settle for a larger voice in parliament to press scotlands needs on a national level.

If I lived in England I would still be a nationalist I'm quite sure, and for different reasons.

So, if not a Brit Nat what are you?

Are you not proud of the UK? Why not?

I also grew up with inequality, in the north, during the thatch years and the decimation of the miners.

Whilst I have an inherent dislike of right wing selfish policies, I recognise the need for fiscal prudence and careful economic management. I tend towards the left, but it has to be competent.

We have some difficult years ahead of the UK, and need to be workong together to get through the next decade.

I see no benefit to anyone (other than the careers of SNP bile merchants) in one region of the UK trying to stiff another region, nor in trying to break away and invoke huge extra costs for no benefit to any individuals anywhere in the UK, north or south of the border. All the white paper "it'll be better" - was total total nonsense. It wouldn't be better, it would be an unmitigated omnischambles.

The SNP is powered by divisive blame other rhetoric, the same as the BNP and UKIP. I have no time for any of them.

The big problem we have at the next election is that the etonians are too selfish and the socialists lack credibility. This is not however an excuse to put in power the extremist barnpots who can only criticise, but ultimately do not offer a better or more credible way forward than either the tories or labour. They just don't. The nutters appeal with glittery superficially attractive policies that are typically divisive, unsustainabale, and ultimately bad for the UK.

[Justayellowbadge]

From a London perspective, I haven't come across anyone that dislikes Scotland. More than a few who are increasingly passed off with the SNP though.

I find it interesting that the most vociferous arguments on here are not between 'The English' and 'The Scots' but between the opposite sides of the referendum. RUK, in the main, simply wants to get on with it.

I don't think anyone who voted no is by definition representing the views of England, nor that the yes vote was the true voice of Scotland.

Nor do I think finding Sturgeon Salmon and their ilk more than a little worrying is in any way anti-Scotland.

[simoid]

arp1 said:

I am deeply proud of my nation and that happens to be Scotland. My views stem from growing up seeing the inequality we suffer and have suffered over the years. Independence is my ultimate goal but for now I would settle for a larger voice in parliament to press scotlands needs on a national level.

If I lived in England I would still be a nationalist I'm quite sure, and for different reasons.

So, if not a Brit Nat what are you?

So why not just be a UK nationalist, since independence would be st?

[wc98]

Kermit power said:

I just had a look at property prices. I could sell my suburban three bed semi in Surrey and buy one in somewhere called Pitlochry (selected at random on the map. I have no idea what it's like) and have the best part of £300k left over. Tell me again why I'd need subsidising up there?

the amount of money spent on fuel might require subsidy. it would be very hard not to do the moulin moor / bridge of cally/ old military road every day if i lived there

[Tannedbaldhead]

Kermit power said:

Tannedbaldhead said:

If you change that question to should a wealthy and densely populated part of the UK subsidise a less wealthy less densely populated part of the UK which suffers terrible diseconomies of scale the answer is yes.

Why is the answer yes?

People can choose where they live. It's the same with people bleating on about rural broadband speeds. If you want to live in a sparsely populated (and frequently very beautiful) area of the country where the average house price is half that of the South East and a quarter that of London, then that's your right, but why should you have all the benefits but then expect the rest of the country to subsidise the downsides?

I just had a look at property prices. I could sell my suburban three bed semi in Surrey and buy one in somewhere called Pitlochry (selected at random on the map. I have no idea what it's like) and have the best part of £300k left over. Tell me again why I'd need subsidising up there?

Yup, you're right property costs are a fraction of the those in the South East. Good job as I'm on less than half the money I was on when I lived and worked in London and the Home Counties from 1998 to 2005. If you chose to live in Pitlochry the balance of probabilities is that you'd be earning even less than me doing the same job (I work in Glasgow). The nearest population centre and thus the town in which you'd be earning your pittance is Perth (45,000 people), 30 miles away. You'd be commuting by car, approx 15,000 miles a year. Factor in depreciation, tyres, servicing, expensive fuel (10p+ more a litre up there)additional insurance etc and you're £5k down getting to your work. People aren't well off in rural Scotland.

Then you have the costs. Pitlochry has a population of 2500 people but needs police, doctors, a Fire Station, Ambulances, rubbish collections, road maintenance, schools etc etc. All these services for 2500 people.
Lets take schools and roads as a for instance. Pitlochry HS has 200 pupils. That means a school was built, staffed, heated and maintained to educate 200 pupils. In the South East a school educates as much as 2000. Am exaggerating a bit as the SE School will be larger and more expensive to run but that's 10 times the cost to run a rural Scottish school as a London school. Roads? hundreds of miles of roads subject to much worse weather, snow, landslides etc cost a fortune to maintain and keep open. There can be more people living on one street in London bearing and sharing the cost of a tiny stretch of road than populate hundreds of miles of Highland roads.

Why should Londoners subsidise this? Because if they didn't the extremities would become impossible to live in. We'd all have to move to London further burdening London's resources and adding to the horrendous congestion.