James Bond Racist
Discussion
jonby said:
I think it also important to note that when Roger Moore took over from Connery and IIRC, Lazenby too, the films appeared to show JB as being the same person, with a history having been built up i.e. the cases that Sean Connery took on as JB were occasionally referred to by Roger Moore as being in his past
But with Daniel Craig, it's almost like all bets are off and other than being a British Secret Service agent who beds lots of women, has a boss called M and a techie called Q, there is a fresh start. Moneypenny is somewhat different and Craig is not considered to play the same JB that starred in the Moore/Connery films. Indeed there is an homage in the blue trunks to the first JB film
So now we have departed from a chronological series of films and in fact, neither can Daniel Craig be considered to be playing a prequel as it's set in the current era not the past, we really are in a period when anything goes
Not sure I agree. The last Bond film resurrected the old Aston Martin with the gadgets (Goldfinger?), and reinforced Bonds Scottish origins back story. The makers have to very careful, otherwise they will destroy the brand and for that reason a black Bond would be a huge mistake.But with Daniel Craig, it's almost like all bets are off and other than being a British Secret Service agent who beds lots of women, has a boss called M and a techie called Q, there is a fresh start. Moneypenny is somewhat different and Craig is not considered to play the same JB that starred in the Moore/Connery films. Indeed there is an homage in the blue trunks to the first JB film
So now we have departed from a chronological series of films and in fact, neither can Daniel Craig be considered to be playing a prequel as it's set in the current era not the past, we really are in a period when anything goes
AnotherClarkey said:
Even though Bond is meant to be half Scottish?
A nod to Connery after Fleming realised he was rather good. Amusing because Bond is a product of English public school system and Connery was doing an impression of quintessentially English, Terence Young. 
jonby said:
I think it also important to note that when Roger Moore took over from Connery and IIRC, Lazenby too, the films appeared to show JB as being the same person, with a history having been built up i.e. the cases that Sean Connery took on as JB were occasionally referred to by Roger Moore as being in his past
But with Daniel Craig, it's almost like all bets are off and other than being a British Secret Service agent who beds lots of women, has a boss called M and a techie called Q, there is a fresh start. Moneypenny is somewhat different and Craig is not considered to play the same JB that starred in the Moore/Connery films. Indeed there is an homage in the blue trunks to the first JB film
So now we have departed from a chronological series of films and in fact, neither can Daniel Craig be considered to be playing a prequel as it's set in the current era not the past, we really are in a period when anything goes
The only really important thing in my opinion is that they don't try to get too close to the Bourne Identity in style - I love that franchise but Bond is supposed to be a little more light hearted
With the first change, it was acknowledged on screen as a change. But the films ignored that in future and Tim's Bond had been married. It's down to the writers of the day and could change film to film, but with Crag they made an effort to reboot the franchise wholly. The Spy genre was owned by the Brits for years, with the odd US input. Borne changed that. The Bronsnan films look saggy in comparison. Bondf was light-hearted in the 70s (with the odd exception) because that's what fit then. It doesn't fit now, it would be anachronistic. Bond needs to out-compete Borne. I felt the Bond films have slowly gone off the boil though after the brilliant remake of Casino Royale.But with Daniel Craig, it's almost like all bets are off and other than being a British Secret Service agent who beds lots of women, has a boss called M and a techie called Q, there is a fresh start. Moneypenny is somewhat different and Craig is not considered to play the same JB that starred in the Moore/Connery films. Indeed there is an homage in the blue trunks to the first JB film
So now we have departed from a chronological series of films and in fact, neither can Daniel Craig be considered to be playing a prequel as it's set in the current era not the past, we really are in a period when anything goes
The only really important thing in my opinion is that they don't try to get too close to the Bourne Identity in style - I love that franchise but Bond is supposed to be a little more light hearted
Digga said:
I always fancied that, perhaps, the sort of chap Flemming had in mind when he penned bond was, in some way, related to those public school lunatics that in earlier times went off to seek adventure in the empire (East India Co etc.) because they were too extreme and easily bored for any suitable career at home. Clever, but brutal in equal measure and unusually fearless.
Eon have been lazy/uncreative for years. Bond set in the 50s, set in London, set in real-time, Bond as the bad guy. All fantastic ideas ignored for the same old variation over 40 years. CR seemed to signal something new, but it was soon back to same-old-same-old.Moonhawk said:
It seems in vogue at the moment to cast black actors in roles that originally featured white characters. To list a few recent ones:
Nick Fury in the Avengers.
Kingpin in the movie Daredevil
Idris Elba as Heimdall in the movie Thor
I think the above three are interesting. Fury in 616 universe is white, in Ultimates uni is black and was based on San Jackson, who ultimately ended up playing himself. That's cool casting. Nick Fury in the Avengers.
Kingpin in the movie Daredevil
Idris Elba as Heimdall in the movie Thor
Always thought Idris as Heimdall was stupid.
I think MCD got the Kingpin gig because another actor of his calibre didn't exist at that size. And still doesn't, he was the best big man actor we had.
JuniorD said:
It would be no good having a black Bond. Anecdotally factually speaking, the token black in a movie usually gets whacked in the first scene.
Biggest chuckle of the thread. I wouldn't want a black Bond ending up in the Walking Dead.
fblm said:
The good news is there is nothing they can do to the Bond franchise that is any worse than they have already tried.
For me, the single worst moment in Bond history.
Halb said:
JuniorD said:
It would be no good having a black Bond. Anecdotally factually speaking, the token black in a movie usually gets whacked in the first scene.
Biggest chuckle of the thread. I wouldn't want a black Bond ending up in the Walking Dead.
fblm said:
The good news is there is nothing they can do to the Bond franchise that is any worse than they have already tried.
For me, the single worst moment in Bond history.
The whole issue is frankly stupid. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and it's only PC idiots who've got on the bandwagon to accuse those to disagree they're all racists.
I don't think Bond can be black. As others have mentioned, it wouldn't match his ancestry and storyline.
That doesn't make me racist. It's just my vision of Bond!
After all, why not do a movie about Mandela or Muhammed Ali and cast a white man! After all, we have to be fair, right?!
At the end of the day, it's nothing to do with colour. It's about common sense.
I don't think Bond can be black. As others have mentioned, it wouldn't match his ancestry and storyline.
That doesn't make me racist. It's just my vision of Bond!
After all, why not do a movie about Mandela or Muhammed Ali and cast a white man! After all, we have to be fair, right?!
At the end of the day, it's nothing to do with colour. It's about common sense.
DuncanM said:
Definitely the worst! We watched it at the cinema and couldn't believe just how much more awful it could get!
When Bond becomes CGI, one knows it's reached it's lowest point.Bond isn't about stunts for me...but as an opening visual, they are exciting.
Has this been bettered?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw77HagbeHM
Halb said:
DuncanM said:
Definitely the worst! We watched it at the cinema and couldn't believe just how much more awful it could get!
When Bond becomes CGI, one knows it's reached it's lowest point.Bond isn't about stunts for me...but as an opening visual, they are exciting.
Has this been bettered?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw77HagbeHM
s2art said:
Not sure I agree. The last Bond film resurrected the old Aston Martin with the gadgets (Goldfinger?), and reinforced Bonds Scottish origins back story.
With his rifle shotgun thing at his old home in Scotland I think that film was the s
ttest of the Craig ones. Boring. I couldn't wait for it to end, and even then the ending didn't feel like an end.The old Bond movies never needed to use the old cars to state the fact this was 'still bond', nor did they have to go over his ancestry to do the same. They just got on with being entertaining escapism with a bit of tongue in cheek to make them have a wider appeal.
They should take Bond out and retire him with a bullet in the face. Then do something new with a black lesbian "008" called Black, Janet Black.
That would have a wide appeal and not be sexist either, win win. And everyone seems to need a gay or lesbian in it these days to be popular, sooo...
Mr Whippy said:
s2art said:
Not sure I agree. The last Bond film resurrected the old Aston Martin with the gadgets (Goldfinger?), and reinforced Bonds Scottish origins back story.
With his rifle shotgun thing at his old home in Scotland I think that film was the s
ttest of the Craig ones. Boring. I couldn't wait for it to end, and even then the ending didn't feel like an end.The old Bond movies never needed to use the old cars to state the fact this was 'still bond', nor did they have to go over his ancestry to do the same. They just got on with being entertaining escapism with a bit of tongue in cheek to make them have a wider appeal.
They should take Bond out and retire him with a bullet in the face. Then do something new with a black lesbian "008" called Black, Janet Black.
That would have a wide appeal and not be sexist either, win win. And everyone seems to need a gay or lesbian in it these days to be popular, sooo...
s2art said:
jonby said:
I think it also important to note that when Roger Moore took over from Connery and IIRC, Lazenby too, the films appeared to show JB as being the same person, with a history having been built up i.e. the cases that Sean Connery took on as JB were occasionally referred to by Roger Moore as being in his past
But with Daniel Craig, it's almost like all bets are off and other than being a British Secret Service agent who beds lots of women, has a boss called M and a techie called Q, there is a fresh start. Moneypenny is somewhat different and Craig is not considered to play the same JB that starred in the Moore/Connery films. Indeed there is an homage in the blue trunks to the first JB film
So now we have departed from a chronological series of films and in fact, neither can Daniel Craig be considered to be playing a prequel as it's set in the current era not the past, we really are in a period when anything goes
Not sure I agree. The last Bond film resurrected the old Aston Martin with the gadgets (Goldfinger?), and reinforced Bonds Scottish origins back story. The makers have to very careful, otherwise they will destroy the brand and for that reason a black Bond would be a huge mistake.But with Daniel Craig, it's almost like all bets are off and other than being a British Secret Service agent who beds lots of women, has a boss called M and a techie called Q, there is a fresh start. Moneypenny is somewhat different and Craig is not considered to play the same JB that starred in the Moore/Connery films. Indeed there is an homage in the blue trunks to the first JB film
So now we have departed from a chronological series of films and in fact, neither can Daniel Craig be considered to be playing a prequel as it's set in the current era not the past, we really are in a period when anything goes
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