James Bond Racist
Discussion
Halb said:
OpulentBob said:
Tell that to this guy:
He used the phrase, publically, 2 weeks ago, and I'd wager his opinion on the matter carries a f
kload more weight and influence. In fact he's used the phrase in every speech I've ever heard him make.
http://www.yeswecode.org/austin_statesman_sxsw_tal...
Or is it OK because it's "their" word?
He used the term, 'people of colour'.He used the phrase, publically, 2 weeks ago, and I'd wager his opinion on the matter carries a f
kload more weight and influence. In fact he's used the phrase in every speech I've ever heard him make. http://www.yeswecode.org/austin_statesman_sxsw_tal...
Or is it OK because it's "their" word?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_color
king. Sentence. Listen to him for ten minutes and I start to feel guilty for being born white. Moonhawk said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Some people on here are having real trouble with the factual/fictional divide. This could turn into another God debate!
Several fictional black characters have been suggested already - but strangely these posts keep getting ignored by the self righteous who instead seem to prefer to pick up on the few posts who have mentioned real people. TTwiggy said:
Moonhawk said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Some people on here are having real trouble with the factual/fictional divide. This could turn into another God debate!
Several fictional black characters have been suggested already - but strangely these posts keep getting ignored by the self righteous who instead seem to prefer to pick up on the few posts who have mentioned real people. Grumfutock said:
In future kindly use the phrase skin tone! I am offended by the word colour. This isn't 1973 you know. You will want Alf Garnett back soon.
I realise that you - and some of the other usual suspects – are trying to turn this into another 'pc gone mad, why can't I call a spade a spade' thread, but I really don't see the big deal. If I imagine 'James Bond', I picture a white bloke in a tux, drinking a Martini. But as the character now bears little resemblance to the one in Fleiming's novels (and in truth, the film versions never had a great deal in common with the book version), it wouldn't cause me any loss of sleep to see a black actor play the part.
But the fact that I'm comfortable with that concept doesn't mean that I consider the casting of a white actor to be racist, or any other sort of '-ist'.
Chim said:
Oh right, so "people of colour" is ok but "coloured" is racist. Silly me, I really need to try and keep up more, should have realised this is of course as the difference between the two is really obvious…..oh wait, its not…they are the same thing.
Sorry but I'm afraid you're completely out of touch, this isn't the 50's you know, appendix C of the PC handbook 23rd edition explains all this quite clearly.Edited by Chim on Tuesday 31st March 10:26
TTwiggy said:
Grumfutock said:
In future kindly use the phrase skin tone! I am offended by the word colour. This isn't 1973 you know. You will want Alf Garnett back soon.
I realise that you - and some of the other usual suspects – are trying to turn this into another 'pc gone mad, why can't I call a spade a spade' thread, but I really don't see the big deal. If I imagine 'James Bond', I picture a white bloke in a tux, drinking a Martini. But as the character now bears little resemblance to the one in Fleiming's novels (and in truth, the film versions never had a great deal in common with the book version), it wouldn't cause me any loss of sleep to see a black actor play the part.
But the fact that I'm comfortable with that concept doesn't mean that I consider the casting of a white actor to be racist, or any other sort of '-ist'.
BrownBottle said:
Chim said:
Oh right, so "people of colour" is ok but "coloured" is racist. Silly me, I really need to try and keep up more, should have realised this is of course as the difference between the two is really obvious…..oh wait, its not…they are the same thing.
Sorry but I'm afraid you're completely out of touch, this isn't the 50's you know, appendix C of the PC handbook 23rd edition explains all this quite clearly.Edited by Chim on Tuesday 31st March 10:26
Grumfutock said:
TTwiggy said:
Grumfutock said:
In future kindly use the phrase skin tone! I am offended by the word colour. This isn't 1973 you know. You will want Alf Garnett back soon.
I realise that you - and some of the other usual suspects – are trying to turn this into another 'pc gone mad, why can't I call a spade a spade' thread, but I really don't see the big deal. If I imagine 'James Bond', I picture a white bloke in a tux, drinking a Martini. But as the character now bears little resemblance to the one in Fleiming's novels (and in truth, the film versions never had a great deal in common with the book version), it wouldn't cause me any loss of sleep to see a black actor play the part.
But the fact that I'm comfortable with that concept doesn't mean that I consider the casting of a white actor to be racist, or any other sort of '-ist'.
king surname is "White", so imagine how much offence I get emailed every day. Even my email signature offends me.
OpulentBob said:
Grumfutock said:
TTwiggy said:
Grumfutock said:
In future kindly use the phrase skin tone! I am offended by the word colour. This isn't 1973 you know. You will want Alf Garnett back soon.
I realise that you - and some of the other usual suspects – are trying to turn this into another 'pc gone mad, why can't I call a spade a spade' thread, but I really don't see the big deal. If I imagine 'James Bond', I picture a white bloke in a tux, drinking a Martini. But as the character now bears little resemblance to the one in Fleiming's novels (and in truth, the film versions never had a great deal in common with the book version), it wouldn't cause me any loss of sleep to see a black actor play the part.
But the fact that I'm comfortable with that concept doesn't mean that I consider the casting of a white actor to be racist, or any other sort of '-ist'.
king surname is "White", so imagine how much offence I get emailed every day. Even my email signature offends me.
Edited by Grumfutock on Tuesday 31st March 11:49
In fairness, the notion of a black Bond walking into an expensive Casino in his best Dinner Suit, only to be handed a tray of drinks and told "Table 4" is quite funny.
It doesn't work for me I have to say, but only because to me, Bond is a product of the Cold War-era Spy thriller. It was bad enough when Craig was cast as James Blond (fortunately, they ended up basically giving him no hair at all rather than the floppy blond nonsense he had when he was cast) but a black Bond just wouldn't fit the stereotypical Bond character for me.
I'm not much for updating the series to reflect modern sensibilities in much the same way as I would't to see myriad uses of the 'N' word cropped out of the original books. Or the classic line "Their lovemaking had the sweet tang of rape about it".
It doesn't work for me I have to say, but only because to me, Bond is a product of the Cold War-era Spy thriller. It was bad enough when Craig was cast as James Blond (fortunately, they ended up basically giving him no hair at all rather than the floppy blond nonsense he had when he was cast) but a black Bond just wouldn't fit the stereotypical Bond character for me.
I'm not much for updating the series to reflect modern sensibilities in much the same way as I would't to see myriad uses of the 'N' word cropped out of the original books. Or the classic line "Their lovemaking had the sweet tang of rape about it".
hairykrishna said:
Really? Late era Roger Moore is exactly the same character as Dalton or Craig's Bond? Or the same as the books?
Basically he just needs to be a posh seeming secret agent who's a bit handy and gets on well with the ladies. The idea that he needs to be white to somehow preserve the character seems daft to me.
Given the back story, he is a scottish son of a laird, with a swiss mother who went to an English public school and then joined the Navy. (not sure about Uni). Just how many black people could fit that set of conditions?Basically he just needs to be a posh seeming secret agent who's a bit handy and gets on well with the ladies. The idea that he needs to be white to somehow preserve the character seems daft to me.
Chim said:
AnotherClarkey said:
Yes. Why not?
Emm, because on the whole they are caricatures. Changing them would intrinsically impact on the the nature of the character or in the case of the marvel characters it would move away from those in the comics that the movies are based onETA - Oh and they made Captain America black too. And rolled out a hispanic Spiderman. Also, in other non-news, Green Lantern is gay.
Edited by AnotherClarkey on Tuesday 31st March 17:10
AnotherClarkey said:
Marvel don't seem to agree - they just made Thor a woman (comic sales went up)
ETA - Oh and they made Captain America black too. And rolled out a hispanic Spiderman. Also, in other non-news, Green Lantern is gay.
But it's not a black Steve Rogers or hispanic Peter Parker, is it?ETA - Oh and they made Captain America black too. And rolled out a hispanic Spiderman. Also, in other non-news, Green Lantern is gay.
Edited by AnotherClarkey on Tuesday 31st March 17:10
AnotherClarkey said:
Marvel don't seem to agree - they just made Thor a woman (comic sales went up)
ETA - Oh and they made Captain America black too. And rolled out a hispanic Spiderman. Also, in other non-news, Green Lantern is gay.
That because they are idiot PC conformists with no balls.ETA - Oh and they made Captain America black too. And rolled out a hispanic Spiderman. Also, in other non-news, Green Lantern is gay.
Edited by AnotherClarkey on Tuesday 31st March 17:10
OpulentBob said:
Halb said:
OpulentBob said:
Tell that to this guy:
He used the phrase, publically, 2 weeks ago, and I'd wager his opinion on the matter carries a fkload more weight and influence. In fact he's used the phrase in every speech I've ever heard him make.
http://www.yeswecode.org/austin_statesman_sxsw_tal...
Or is it OK because it's "their" word?
He used the term, 'people of colour'.He used the phrase, publically, 2 weeks ago, and I'd wager his opinion on the matter carries a f
kload more weight and influence. In fact he's used the phrase in every speech I've ever heard him make. http://www.yeswecode.org/austin_statesman_sxsw_tal...
Or is it OK because it's "their" word?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_color
king. Sentence. Listen to him for ten minutes and I start to feel guilty for being born white. Hth
Grumfutock said:
AnotherClarkey said:
Marvel don't seem to agree - they just made Thor a woman (comic sales went up)
ETA - Oh and they made Captain America black too. And rolled out a hispanic Spiderman. Also, in other non-news, Green Lantern is gay.
That because they are idiot PC conformists with no balls.ETA - Oh and they made Captain America black too. And rolled out a hispanic Spiderman. Also, in other non-news, Green Lantern is gay.
Edited by AnotherClarkey on Tuesday 31st March 17:10
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