James Bond Racist

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princealbert23

2,574 posts

160 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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Roy Lime said:
I think this should just about cover it.

Bond 24
Unfortunately, due to tory cuts, there is only one police helicopter in the area and it is tied up hovering over the home of someone who might have written the word “Muslim” on Twitter.
THE END
You cant just say 'cuts' they have to be 'savage cuts'

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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I think it is the gravitas and Britishness - especially in accent - of the actor, as much as anything which is key. As I've said earlier, I always thought Bond should have an element of the gentleman thug about him and, in fairness to Daniel Craig, he's certainly added a more convincing grit to the role than most of his predecessors.

Roy Lime

594 posts

131 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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princealbert23 said:
You cant just say 'cuts' they have to be 'savage cuts'
You're quite right.

'Savage tory cuts for ideological reasons.'

That do?

princealbert23

2,574 posts

160 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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Roy Lime said:
You're quite right.

'Savage tory cuts for ideological reasons.'

That do?
Yeah Roy- spot on!

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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johnfm said:
What? You think Fleming knew Sean Connery in the early 1950s?

Connery didn't start acting until 1954-ish, did he?

And Fleming is quoted as saying he didn't think Connery was anything like the Bond he'd written.
The backstory was retconned. Fleming originally hated the idea of SC as Bond, but after seeing him own it, he did a full 180°. It's a good case of story being set for the actor.

Watchman

6,391 posts

244 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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Here you go - perfect as Bond:


Mr Whippy

28,946 posts

240 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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He played a good, good but bad guy in Serenity.

I'm not sure he'd be right for Bond though.

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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Mr Whippy said:
He played a good, good but bad guy in Serenity.

I'm not sure he'd be right for Bond though.
Not, I'm sure he can play the bad guy, just as well as he plays the hero, but he doesn't have the right sort of edge and brutality for Bond.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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johnfm said:
hairykrishna said:
s2art said:
hairykrishna said:
Really? Late era Roger Moore is exactly the same character as Dalton or Craig's Bond? Or the same as the books?

Basically he just needs to be a posh seeming secret agent who's a bit handy and gets on well with the ladies. The idea that he needs to be white to somehow preserve the character seems daft to me.
Given the back story, he is a scottish son of a laird, with a swiss mother who went to an English public school and then joined the Navy. (not sure about Uni). Just how many black people could fit that set of conditions?
Not many. That back story was just Fleming fitting him to Connery though, so arguably everyone since didn't really match. Given that he's also supposed to be in his 30's I still think a black guy is less of a stretch than Moore hehe
What? You think Fleming knew Sean Connery in the early 1950s?

Connery didn't start acting until 1954-ish, did he?

And Fleming is quoted as saying he didn't think Connery was anything like the Bond he'd written.
Lord Lucan was asked to try out for Bond, but he didn't fancy it. Thought he could make more money gambling. Not the shrewdest of career choices as it transpired.

Mark-C

5,010 posts

204 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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Digga said:
Mr Whippy said:
He played a good, good but bad guy in Serenity.

I'm not sure he'd be right for Bond though.
Not, I'm sure he can play the bad guy, just as well as he plays the hero, but he doesn't have the right sort of edge and brutality for Bond.
Edge and brutality were hardly Roger Moore’s strong points wink

Asterix

24,438 posts

227 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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Mark-C said:
Digga said:
Mr Whippy said:
He played a good, good but bad guy in Serenity.

I'm not sure he'd be right for Bond though.
Not, I'm sure he can play the bad guy, just as well as he plays the hero, but he doesn't have the right sort of edge and brutality for Bond.
Edge and brutality were hardly Roger Moore’s strong points wink
Yeah but - that was Bond 'lite'

irocfan

40,158 posts

189 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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why is there always a fuss about getting a person of African origin to play Bond? No-one ever seems to ask if we could have an Asian or Oriental Bond - is that wacist too?

Emeye

9,773 posts

222 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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irocfan said:
why is there always a fuss about getting a person of African origin to play Bond? No-one ever seems to ask if we could have an Asian or Oriental Bond - is that wacist too?
Jackie Chan?

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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Roy Lime said:
I think this should just about cover it.

Bond 24
Unfortunately, due to tory cuts, there is only one police helicopter in the area and it is tied up hovering over the home of someone who might have written the word “Muslim” on Twitter.
THE END
Well that sounds a lot more entertaining than Quantum of Solace

Mr Whippy

28,946 posts

240 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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irocfan said:
why is there always a fuss about getting a person of African origin to play Bond? No-one ever seems to ask if we could have an Asian or Oriental Bond - is that wacist too?
Don't be daft, remember racism in today's world is about who YOU think will be offended on the behalf of others, not who will actually take offence.

Which is why this whole thing is still an elephant in the room. We're generally still being racist in the West if we think mainly black people actually care and we then treat them differently because we think they care.

Dave

Roy Lime

594 posts

131 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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I met a racist last year - a real, old-fashioned, seventies-style throwback racist. He was a recovery driver bringing our broken-down car back to Cheshire from Kent and I spent three or four hours in his company. At first it was quite a shock; you just don't seem to get people like that any more. The journey was an utter cringefest. The guy was an absolute dick - Miss Lime and I still laugh about him now. As well as being a racist he was a borderline lunatic fantasist (some of his bks would put even the best of the PH bullstters to shame). He was that bloody offensive that I did, for a while, consider mentioning it to the insurance company but after thinking about it I realised there was no point. He was a sad little ahole and he would go on being a sad little ahole regardless. The shock factor was, for me, evidence that people like him are thankfully on their way out. I'd be happy to bet that the number of people like that on here is so vanishingly small as to be insignificant. As I say, you just don't get people like that these days. The vast majority couldn't give a stuff what particular hue a given individual is - it just doesn't matter any more.

Roger Moore was my favourite Bond, the one I grew up with and the one whose outlandish films can still make me smile. As someone pointed out earlier, there was some consternation amongst the purists when he won the role but so what, things move on. And if, in the natural order of things, a black Bond was selected I wouldn't have a problem.

But it doesn't seem like the natural order of things at all. It seems, instead, like pandering to the demands of the usual, po-faced, posturing middle-class (predominantly white) tossers who can't relax unless they've found something they'd like the rest of us to feel guilty about - the types who like the Prime Minister to apologise for events that occurred decades before he was even born. I can't help but think that people like that (and we all know the crowd I mean), in years to come, will be just as much a source of ridicule as the small-minded dhead I mentioned at the start.



Edited for grammar skillz.


Edited by Roy Lime on Wednesday 1st April 16:13

turbobloke

103,748 posts

259 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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Mark-C said:
Digga said:
Mr Whippy said:
He played a good, good but bad guy in Serenity.

I'm not sure he'd be right for Bond though.
Not, I'm sure he can play the bad guy, just as well as he plays the hero, but he doesn't have the right sort of edge and brutality for Bond.
Edge and brutality were hardly Roger Moore’s strong points wink
He had two iirc, eyebrows.

Enough to get the job done smile

AnotherClarkey

3,589 posts

188 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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Emeye said:
irocfan said:
why is there always a fuss about getting a person of African origin to play Bond? No-one ever seems to ask if we could have an Asian or Oriental Bond - is that wacist too?
Jackie Chan?
Chow Yun Fat would have provided the necessary grittiness and efficient henchman dispatching ability in his younger days.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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Roy Lime said:
I met a racist last year - a real, old-fashioned, seventies-style throwback racist. He was a recovery driver bringing our broken-down car back to Cheshire from Kent and I spent three or four hours in his company. At first it was quite a shock; you just don't seem to get people like that any more. The journey was an utter cringefest. The guy was an absolute dick - Miss Lime and I still laugh about him now. As well as being a racist he was a borderline lunatic fantasist (some of his bks would put even the best of the PH bullstters to shame). He was that bloody offensive that I did, for a while, consider mentioning it to the insurance company but after thinking about it I realised there was no point. He was a sad little ahole and he would go on being a sad little ahole regardless. The shock factor was, for me, evidence that people like him are thankfully on their way out. I'd be happy to bet that the number of people like that on here is so vanishingly small as to be insignificant. As I say, you just don't get people like that these days. The vast majority couldn't give a stuff what particular hue a given individual is - it just doesn't matter any more.
Yeah, can be quite a cold shock when one crosses your path. I recall meeting one a while back...huge bouncer type, shaved head, the stereotype, and he was a true to the bone racist...he was actually quite scary.
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popeyewhite

19,628 posts

119 months

Wednesday 1st April 2015
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Halb said:
Roy Lime said:
I met a racist last year - a real, old-fashioned, seventies-style throwback racist. He was a recovery driver bringing our broken-down car back to Cheshire from Kent and I spent three or four hours in his company. At first it was quite a shock; you just don't seem to get people like that any more. The journey was an utter cringefest. The guy was an absolute dick - Miss Lime and I still laugh about him now. As well as being a racist he was a borderline lunatic fantasist (some of his bks would put even the best of the PH bullstters to shame). He was that bloody offensive that I did, for a while, consider mentioning it to the insurance company but after thinking about it I realised there was no point. He was a sad little ahole and he would go on being a sad little ahole regardless. The shock factor was, for me, evidence that people like him are thankfully on their way out. I'd be happy to bet that the number of people like that on here is so vanishingly small as to be insignificant. As I say, you just don't get people like that these days. The vast majority couldn't give a stuff what particular hue a given individual is - it just doesn't matter any more.
Yeah, can be quite a cold shock when one crosses your path. I recall meeting one a while back...huge bouncer type, shaved head, the stereotype, and he was a true to the bone racist...he was actually quite scary.
boxedin
I spent a week skiing with some mates a few years ago. One of them brought along his white Sith Ifrican uncle. He was born of old style white farming folk, and had their misogynist and racist attitudes. What was more shocking however was the bluntness and inconsideration for others in our group who might have been offended. No one was, particularly, but he wasn't invited skiing again. laugh