James Bond Racist
Discussion
Disastrous said:
Grumfutock said:
Look the PC idiots wont be happy until Bond is a female Romanian lesbian with one leg, a speech impediment and colour blind.
I think you're being a bit silly - it's just a film. And I don't think it should be about PC or inclusiveness at all. It should be about making a good Bond film.Personally, a black Bond would feel wrong to me, but giving it thought, it's purely because I've had such a strong mental picture of the character for so many years. Up until DC, I'd have argued that Bond actors tended to be 'of a type' (Moore less so, but still tall, handsome to women etc) and that type tied pretty closely to Fleming's description (although he originally had him as resembling Hoagy Carmichael). For that reason, I have a pretty strong mental image of the character so a black, chinese, shirt, skinny, ginger, you-name-it bond wouldn't work for me. It would change the formula too fundamentally for me.
But could a good black actor pull off the part, ignoring all the background? Of course.
Is there a PC conspiracy to ruin Bond? Of course not.
Is there a PC conspiracy? You really want me to answer that?
Well, at risk of you feeling I'm continuing to condescend, the article linked on the first page cites only a nebulous 'some online' as the offended parties, whatever that means. On top of that, all it really reports is that Roger himself took pains to clarify that a comment he made had been taken out of context via his Twitter feed.
It certainly doesn't talk of anyone going apes
t or suggest any sort of international incident.
My apologies if you have more info-I genuinely didn't see the story carried anywhere else so had assumed it was little more than a slow news day that led to a mildly interesting debate on the pros and cons of a black Bond.
I'm not trying to condescend - merely suggesting that your slightly dramatic Lamentations of PC-doom are somewhat over-egging the pudding.
It certainly doesn't talk of anyone going apes
t or suggest any sort of international incident.My apologies if you have more info-I genuinely didn't see the story carried anywhere else so had assumed it was little more than a slow news day that led to a mildly interesting debate on the pros and cons of a black Bond.
I'm not trying to condescend - merely suggesting that your slightly dramatic Lamentations of PC-doom are somewhat over-egging the pudding.
Halb said:
Yeah, can be quite a cold shock when one crosses your path. I recall meeting one a while back...huge bouncer type, shaved head, the stereotype, and he was a true to the bone racist...he was actually quite scary.
Agree- that is why it is galling to hear McCarthyite students accusing all and sundry of such attitudes when they get trounced in debateGrumfutock said:
I suggest you google "Roger Moore is racist"
Sky, Fox, CNN, BBC, Mail, Guardian, Express, Telegraph etc.
Nope, nobody talking about it at all.
Yes, but they're all saying much the same as the original article - fSky, Fox, CNN, BBC, Mail, Guardian, Express, Telegraph etc.
Nope, nobody talking about it at all.
k all!Never mind. You're determined to be outraged regardless.
A black Indiana Jones?
A white Blade?
A Chinese Asian Superman?
Edited to add,even though I disagree with the premise, if there is a black BRITISH actor that could do the job then Idris Elba is probably on the money. Eammon Walker would demolish the role had he been a decade younger, that guy oozes class in the roles I've seen him in. C.E and David Oleywoleywo, no!
A white Blade?
A Chinese Asian Superman?
Edited to add,even though I disagree with the premise, if there is a black BRITISH actor that could do the job then Idris Elba is probably on the money. Eammon Walker would demolish the role had he been a decade younger, that guy oozes class in the roles I've seen him in. C.E and David Oleywoleywo, no!
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 1st April 22:43
Asterix said:
I have no issue with colour - the fundamental of a great Bond is that all the men want to be Bond, all the women want to be with Bond.
As long as those boxes are ticked, there should be no issue.
Rather than fanny about debating which nationailty, colour, height, hair colour etc... is more important, I'd just like to see a film that is really edgy, brutal and clever.
That.As long as those boxes are ticked, there should be no issue.
Rather than fanny about debating which nationailty, colour, height, hair colour etc... is more important, I'd just like to see a film that is really edgy, brutal and clever.
Of course.
Thing is, even when you try your hardest to plough the middle ground, the result of stereotypical behaviour can drive you absolutely potty and it can be very difficult sometimes not to become exasperated.
That said, that also goes for various sub-divisions of the lovely people of England.
I just stick with the premise that as long as you're not a dick, you'll do fine by me.
Thing is, even when you try your hardest to plough the middle ground, the result of stereotypical behaviour can drive you absolutely potty and it can be very difficult sometimes not to become exasperated.
That said, that also goes for various sub-divisions of the lovely people of England.
I just stick with the premise that as long as you're not a dick, you'll do fine by me.
Roy Lime said:
I met a racist last year - a real, old-fashioned, seventies-style throwback racist. He was a recovery driver bringing our broken-down car back to Cheshire from Kent and I spent three or four hours in his company. At first it was quite a shock; you just don't seem to get people like that any more. The journey was an utter cringefest. The guy was an absolute dick - Miss Lime and I still laugh about him now. As well as being a racist he was a borderline lunatic fantasist (some of his bks would put even the best of the PH bullstters to shame). He was that bloody offensive that I did, for a while, consider mentioning it to the insurance company but after thinking about it I realised there was no point. He was a sad little ahole and he would go on being a sad little ahole regardless. The shock factor was, for me, evidence that people like him are thankfully on their way out. I'd be happy to bet that the number of people like that on here is so vanishingly small as to be insignificant. As I say, you just don't get people like that these days. The vast majority couldn't give a stuff what particular hue a given individual is - it just doesn't matter any more.
Roger Moore was my favourite Bond, the one I grew up with and the one whose outlandish films can still make me smile. As someone pointed out earlier, there was some consternation amongst the purists when he won the role but so what, things move on. And if, in the natural order of things, a black Bond was selected I wouldn't have a problem.
But it doesn't seem like the natural order of things at all. It seems, instead, like pandering to the demands of the usual, po-faced, posturing middle-class (predominantly white) tossers who can't relax unless they've found something they'd like the rest of us to feel guilty about - the types who like the Prime Minister to apologise for events that occurred decades before he was even born. I can't help but think that people like that (and we all know the crowd I mean), in years to come, will be just as much a source of ridicule as the small-minded dhead I mentioned at the start.
Edited for grammar skillz.
I'm not convinced there are any less of these people about than there used to be. I think most of them have learned to keep their mouths shut and you just get an odd hint now and again as if they're fishing to see if your receptive to a bit of bigotry . In some ways I preferred it when they spoke freely at least you knew what you're dealing withks would put even the best of the PH bullstters to shame). He was that bloody offensive that I did, for a while, consider mentioning it to the insurance company but after thinking about it I realised there was no point. He was a sad little ahole and he would go on being a sad little ahole regardless. The shock factor was, for me, evidence that people like him are thankfully on their way out. I'd be happy to bet that the number of people like that on here is so vanishingly small as to be insignificant. As I say, you just don't get people like that these days. The vast majority couldn't give a stuff what particular hue a given individual is - it just doesn't matter any more. Roger Moore was my favourite Bond, the one I grew up with and the one whose outlandish films can still make me smile. As someone pointed out earlier, there was some consternation amongst the purists when he won the role but so what, things move on. And if, in the natural order of things, a black Bond was selected I wouldn't have a problem.
But it doesn't seem like the natural order of things at all. It seems, instead, like pandering to the demands of the usual, po-faced, posturing middle-class (predominantly white) tossers who can't relax unless they've found something they'd like the rest of us to feel guilty about - the types who like the Prime Minister to apologise for events that occurred decades before he was even born. I can't help but think that people like that (and we all know the crowd I mean), in years to come, will be just as much a source of ridicule as the small-minded d
head I mentioned at the start. Edited for grammar skillz.
Edited by Roy Lime on Wednesday 1st April 16:13
Grumfutock said:
Disastrous said:
Yes, but they're all saying much the same as the original article - fk all!
Never mind. You're determined to be outraged regardless.
Or you appear to be outraged at my perceived outrage. Chalk and cheese mate.k all!Never mind. You're determined to be outraged regardless.
You've stated several times that you're unhappy with how things are etc etc. and I'm trying to say I think you're over-exaggerating the scale of the 'problem' and needn't be as concerned as you are.
I don't think it is chalk and cheese, particularly though?
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