Fire in London
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Still burning in parts according to London Fire Brigade.
http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/LatestIncidentsConta...
Went past this morning and there was still a tonne of smoke belching out of manholes, and not manholes that were right next to each other either, they were in side streets off of Kingsway, so it clearly isn't a small and contained fire. So given the amount of smoke that was pouring out this morning I doubt anyone's even been in to survey the damage yet so it isn't going to get fixed any time soon.
Absolute traffic gridlock chaos all around, what happened to the police, when did they stop doing basic traffic management to keep people from blocking junctions as best as possible. They were plenty of them there at Kingsway but all just standing chatting to each other rather than doing anything useful.
http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/LatestIncidentsConta...
Went past this morning and there was still a tonne of smoke belching out of manholes, and not manholes that were right next to each other either, they were in side streets off of Kingsway, so it clearly isn't a small and contained fire. So given the amount of smoke that was pouring out this morning I doubt anyone's even been in to survey the damage yet so it isn't going to get fixed any time soon.
Absolute traffic gridlock chaos all around, what happened to the police, when did they stop doing basic traffic management to keep people from blocking junctions as best as possible. They were plenty of them there at Kingsway but all just standing chatting to each other rather than doing anything useful.
arp1 said:
Glad london Fire brigade handled this really well, especially with all the savage cuts that boris has implemented! Good job guys and girls!
??? you could also say that Boris' "savage cuts" have been vindicated, given that LFB still coped with both this and a massive fire in Park Royal at the same time. There clearly was excess fat to be cut before, given they're still coping fine.kev1974 said:
arp1 said:
Glad london Fire brigade handled this really well, especially with all the savage cuts that boris has implemented! Good job guys and girls!
??? you could also say that Boris' "savage cuts" have been vindicated, given that LFB still coped with both this and a massive fire in Park Royal at the same time. There clearly was excess fat to be cut before, given they're still coping fine.arp1 said:
kev1974 said:
arp1 said:
Glad london Fire brigade handled this really well, especially with all the savage cuts that boris has implemented! Good job guys and girls!
??? you could also say that Boris' "savage cuts" have been vindicated, given that LFB still coped with both this and a massive fire in Park Royal at the same time. There clearly was excess fat to be cut before, given they're still coping fine.Yes we do need the LFB, obviously.
But, if we can live with a reduced and therefore cheaper LFB, then why shouldn't we?
Presumably the people that make these decisions would have thought it through, and made the cuts where they are the least likely to cause harm.
Boris didn't just phone up the head of LFB one day and say, I want you to close Soho (for example) fire station did he?
He said, you need to save x pounds, go away and do your homework.
Have most of the recent FBU strikes been over Pensions etc? No (or very little) mention of danger to Job Public.
I am guessing you work for LFB ARP?
I don't, but you have seen with this government the savage cuts to the nhs, police, fire and ambulance services, giving the public a far lesser service and more cuts are to come. Would you be happy seeing bangers of cop cars running around? Firefighters using old equipment, the ambulance service prioritising (even more so) calls... It's the public that suffers. So hats off to the London emergency services for bringing yesterday's incident to a successful conclusion.
They do a fantastic job but, for the sake of accuracy, it ain't over yet.
My understanding is that the fire is still burning underground, our place is shut until Wednesday but that could just be people wanting a nice long weekend.
On the subject of cuts, every business has to evolve, but surely the dense concentration of people and potential for loss of life and revenue caused by a big incident in any city should be a good reason for having 'spare capacity' in the system?
My understanding is that the fire is still burning underground, our place is shut until Wednesday but that could just be people wanting a nice long weekend.
On the subject of cuts, every business has to evolve, but surely the dense concentration of people and potential for loss of life and revenue caused by a big incident in any city should be a good reason for having 'spare capacity' in the system?
onyx39 said:
In your opinion.
Yes we do need the LFB, obviously.
But, if we can live with a reduced and therefore cheaper LFB, then why shouldn't we?
Presumably the people that make these decisions would have thought it through, and made the cuts where they are the least likely to cause harm.
Boris didn't just phone up the head of LFB one day and say, I want you to close Soho (for example) fire station did he?
He said, you need to save x pounds, go away and do your homework.
Have most of the recent FBU strikes been over Pensions etc? No (or very little) mention of danger to Job Public.
I am guessing you work for LFB ARP?
I suspect Boris and most politicians would prefer not to make cuts - the issue is the public don't want to pay taxes.Yes we do need the LFB, obviously.
But, if we can live with a reduced and therefore cheaper LFB, then why shouldn't we?
Presumably the people that make these decisions would have thought it through, and made the cuts where they are the least likely to cause harm.
Boris didn't just phone up the head of LFB one day and say, I want you to close Soho (for example) fire station did he?
He said, you need to save x pounds, go away and do your homework.
Have most of the recent FBU strikes been over Pensions etc? No (or very little) mention of danger to Job Public.
I am guessing you work for LFB ARP?
They (we) want our cake and eat it.
arp1 said:
Exactly, and there isnt
Define spare capacity? You'll never cope with every event that ever happens. Even if every other person was in the fire service, eventually something will happen that they can't cope with. That's just the nature of the world. So a line has to be drawn somewhere about what we will plan to cope with, and what we accept we cannot.Throw in the after effects of socialism, and the associated lack of money to pay for a fire service. And that line has to be drawn a bit lower and/or efficiencies found to keep it as high as possible.
If you want a fireman, a policeman, and a paramedic on the corner of every street, it'll cost money we simply do not have. There is no good solution to the situation the country is in. It's going to be tough and hard to claw our way out of the hole and cuts to public services are part of it. Or we decide to be like Greece in a few years. I know which I'd sooner do.
If you want more firemen, work harder and get a pay rise so the gov get's more cash to pay for them with.
Munter said:
arp1 said:
Exactly, and there isnt
Define spare capacity? You'll never cope with every event that ever happens. Even if every other person was in the fire service, eventually something will happen that they can't cope with. That's just the nature of the world. So a line has to be drawn somewhere about what we will plan to cope with, and what we accept we cannot.Throw in the after effects of socialism, and the associated lack of money to pay for a fire service. And that line has to be drawn a bit lower and/or efficiencies found to keep it as high as possible.
If you want a fireman, a policeman, and a paramedic on the corner of every street, it'll cost money we simply do not have. There is no good solution to the situation the country is in. It's going to be tough and hard to claw our way out of the hole and cuts to public services are part of it. Or we decide to be like Greece in a few years. I know which I'd sooner do.
If you want more firemen, work harder and get a pay rise so the gov get's more cash to pay for them with.
Excellent post.
In essence I agree, and I'm all for greater efficiency, but in the case of firefighters in particular, there seems to be an argument that because a resource isn't being used it isn't needed.
I'm not sure I agree.
To me it's like saying I don't need to wear a seatbelt because I haven't had an accident in ages.
I'm not sure I agree.
To me it's like saying I don't need to wear a seatbelt because I haven't had an accident in ages.
ruggedscotty said:
Putting a metal cover over that hole wouldn't have done much - the air feeding the fire is coming from else where and that hole is basically a flue...
If you had a fire in your house and you blocked the chimney then it wouldn't stop the fire.... basically put.
Still burningIf you had a fire in your house and you blocked the chimney then it wouldn't stop the fire.... basically put.
https://twitter.com/bexy76/status/5836293631213649...
Latest update from LFB mentions that it's a gas leak that's fuelling it
From what I gather they can't just turn the gas off because it's only the pressure of the gas leaking out of the pipe that keeps the flames where they are. With gas leak fires there is a danger of the the flame travelling back up the reduced gas supply, when the pressure of the gas being leaked starts to drop, and the problem just moving to somewhere else.
arp1 said:
I don't, but you have seen with this government the savage cuts to the nhs
You'll have to help me here.Can you point to a source that shows how much the NHS budget has been cut by this government?
Just asking, since you claim it to be true.
I'll give you a few days to find the figures.
oyster said:
arp1 said:
I don't, but you have seen with this government the savage cuts to the nhs
You'll have to help me here.Can you point to a source that shows how much the NHS budget has been cut by this government?
Just asking, since you claim it to be true.
I'll give you a few days to find the figures.
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