David Cameron: The NHS is - safe in my hands
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Remembers David Cameron promising "The NHS is safe in my hands"!
Given he seems to be once again applying the big lie theory nothing he promises in this election can be believed.
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Given he seems to be once again applying the big lie theory nothing he promises in this election can be believed.
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Edited by Martin4x4 on Thursday 2nd April 12:48
As good as the NHS is i for one would welcome private healthcare like they have in America
Companies should provide this along with dental care, we wouldn't be paying billions and billions for a healthcare system that can't run itself, can't fund itself and is so badly run the pay out tens of millions in negligence cases every year. It's openly exploited by people from overseas knowing full well they can use it to their advantage for free whilst we all pay for them to do so.
Companies should provide this along with dental care, we wouldn't be paying billions and billions for a healthcare system that can't run itself, can't fund itself and is so badly run the pay out tens of millions in negligence cases every year. It's openly exploited by people from overseas knowing full well they can use it to their advantage for free whilst we all pay for them to do so.
Nickyboy said:
As good as the NHS is i for one would welcome private healthcare like they have in America
Companies should provide this along with dental care, we wouldn't be paying billions and billions for a healthcare system that can't run itself, can't fund itself and is so badly run the pay out tens of millions in negligence cases every year. It's openly exploited by people from overseas knowing full well they can use it to their advantage for free whilst we all pay for them to do so.
The American taxpayer actually pays more, as a % of GDP/per head etc, than we do - and it's significantly more. They have a two tier system and the state funded schemes (medicair and medicaid) are pretty substandard when you consider what they spend on it.Companies should provide this along with dental care, we wouldn't be paying billions and billions for a healthcare system that can't run itself, can't fund itself and is so badly run the pay out tens of millions in negligence cases every year. It's openly exploited by people from overseas knowing full well they can use it to their advantage for free whilst we all pay for them to do so.
I'm not sure the American model is one we should be aiming to copy.
BlackLabel said:
Nickyboy said:
As good as the NHS is i for one would welcome private healthcare like they have in America
Companies should provide this along with dental care, we wouldn't be paying billions and billions for a healthcare system that can't run itself, can't fund itself and is so badly run the pay out tens of millions in negligence cases every year. It's openly exploited by people from overseas knowing full well they can use it to their advantage for free whilst we all pay for them to do so.
The American taxpayer actually pays more, as a % of GDP/per head etc, than we do - and it's significantly more. They have a two tier system and the state funded schemes (medicair and medicaid) are pretty substandard when you consider what they spend on it.Companies should provide this along with dental care, we wouldn't be paying billions and billions for a healthcare system that can't run itself, can't fund itself and is so badly run the pay out tens of millions in negligence cases every year. It's openly exploited by people from overseas knowing full well they can use it to their advantage for free whilst we all pay for them to do so.
I'm not sure the American model is one we should be aiming to copy.
The NHS is f
ked.
I currently have two relatives in hospital is sickening to see the way they are treated. Their symptoms are ignored and they are both soiling themselves regularly. One is complanining that the call button never works (we've complained about it 3 times so far) and the other is clearly suffering from a mental issue but we just get nowhere.
How can things be so bad that the hospital is there, the staff are there, but they just ignore their patients.
Appologies is this badly written, but I've had a few tonight to get over a month of NHS crap.
ked.I currently have two relatives in hospital is sickening to see the way they are treated. Their symptoms are ignored and they are both soiling themselves regularly. One is complanining that the call button never works (we've complained about it 3 times so far) and the other is clearly suffering from a mental issue but we just get nowhere.
How can things be so bad that the hospital is there, the staff are there, but they just ignore their patients.
Appologies is this badly written, but I've had a few tonight to get over a month of NHS crap.
98elise said:
The NHS is fked.
I currently have two relatives in hospital is sickening to see the way they are treated. Their symptoms are ignored and they are both soiling themselves regularly. One is complanining that the call button never works (we've complained about it 3 times so far) and the other is clearly suffering from a mental issue but we just get nowhere.
How can things be so bad that the hospital is there, the staff are there, but they just ignore their patients.
Appologies is this badly written, but I've had a few tonight to get over a month of NHS crap.
Sorry to hear this. How can things be so bad.....? Think Mid Staffs hospital and others and before long you realize it is systemic driven by central control and performance management by budget heads and arbitrary targets rather than what matters to patients.ked.I currently have two relatives in hospital is sickening to see the way they are treated. Their symptoms are ignored and they are both soiling themselves regularly. One is complanining that the call button never works (we've complained about it 3 times so far) and the other is clearly suffering from a mental issue but we just get nowhere.
How can things be so bad that the hospital is there, the staff are there, but they just ignore their patients.
Appologies is this badly written, but I've had a few tonight to get over a month of NHS crap.
Both main parties are falling over themselves to say the NHS is safe in their hands, and attack any attempt to sort it out as "privatization" or similar. Sadly the NHS has become a bit of a religion in the eyes of the media and the public, which has blinded them to the systemic waste running through it.
In short the leaving the NHS alone means accepting the inefficiencies untouched at a time we simply can't afford them.
Yes there is a lot right with the NHS but a lot wrong too. My own personal view is that it should remain free at the point if delivery but who delivers it I don't really care if they sort you out quickly and correctly first time and don't bankrupt the nation in the process.
Sadly, no matter which party is in power I believe it will be a political hot potatoe for many years yet before it is tackled properly.
steveatesh said:
Sorry to hear this. How can things be so bad.....? Think Mid Staffs hospital and others and before long you realize it is systemic driven by central control and performance management by budget heads and arbitrary targets rather than what matters to patients.
Both main parties are falling over themselves to say the NHS is safe in their hands, and attack any attempt to sort it out as "privatization" or similar. Sadly the NHS has become a bit of a religion in the eyes of the media and the public, which has blinded them to the systemic waste running through it.
In short the leaving the NHS alone means accepting the inefficiencies untouched at a time we simply can't afford them.
Yes there is a lot right with the NHS but a lot wrong too. My own personal view is that it should remain free at the point if delivery but who delivers it I don't really care if they sort you out quickly and correctly first time and don't bankrupt the nation in the process.
Sadly, no matter which party is in power I believe it will be a political hot potatoe for many years yet before it is tackled properly.
exactly Both main parties are falling over themselves to say the NHS is safe in their hands, and attack any attempt to sort it out as "privatization" or similar. Sadly the NHS has become a bit of a religion in the eyes of the media and the public, which has blinded them to the systemic waste running through it.
In short the leaving the NHS alone means accepting the inefficiencies untouched at a time we simply can't afford them.
Yes there is a lot right with the NHS but a lot wrong too. My own personal view is that it should remain free at the point if delivery but who delivers it I don't really care if they sort you out quickly and correctly first time and don't bankrupt the nation in the process.
Sadly, no matter which party is in power I believe it will be a political hot potatoe for many years yet before it is tackled properly.
combine a system which encourages the retention of the dead wood because whoever ends up with them in the last roiund of musical chairs has to pay up to 15 years of pension contributions ( employee and employer) back to the centre if they make them redundant - in addition to the redundancy payout ...
Martin4x4 said:
Remembers David Cameron promising [ur=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1530512/Cameron-promises-health-service-is-safe-in-my-hands.html]"The NHS is safe in my hands"[/url]!
Given he seems to be once again applying the big lie theory nothing he promises in this election can be believed.
The NHS has a budget of 150 billion quid. Double that of less than 20 yrs ago. Now please tell me how in the name of all thats Holy does an organisation with a budget that large consider itself at risk from one man who will *never* reduce its budget by any more than 5% ? Then tell me how it can consider itself under resourced. Then tell me why it is so badly managed and why its front line services are so badly stretched.Given he seems to be once again applying the big lie theory nothing he promises in this election can be believed.
My family have spent the last yr with a damn nr permanent pass into our local NHS hospital due to some severe medical issues with my father. We have become *very* intimate with the workings of the organisation and different parts of it. The front line staff are by and large outstanding but by God behind them they should consider themselves bloody f
king lucky I have nothing to do with the running of it, because if they think CMD is some kind of bd he would be as nothing compared to the Avenging Angel of Hell that I would be.The NHS is a basketcase money pit and needs massive reform.
The Conservatives I believe have been pretty much true to their word and they have actually increased investment in the NHS not cut it, even though the extra money is going down the drain.
People who get all emotional over it, I suspect don't have much of an idea of how economics work.
The Conservatives I believe have been pretty much true to their word and they have actually increased investment in the NHS not cut it, even though the extra money is going down the drain.
People who get all emotional over it, I suspect don't have much of an idea of how economics work.
Nickyboy said:
As good as the NHS is
This type of thinking really shocks me. I just cannot understand where this idea comes from. The NHS is absolutely shockingly bad by any matrix you care to measure it by. As an example I twisted my ankle and fractured a bone and was seen within One minute of entering the hospital by a Doctor, 5 mins later was at the X=Ray dept, I was then 2 minutes later given the X-rays to take back to the Doctor, I was then given an injection, fitted a cast, wrote a report and I was in and out within 1hour with a set of crutches in hand. This was about a year ago. I had a similar problem yesterday and again was all sorted within an hour. This is on the German State system. My experience in France and Turkey is similar. I have no idea where this notion that the NHS is the best in the world comes from. Every time I had the pleasure of using it, it was a nightmare.
A night in A+E on a trolly because the hospital is full and bed blocking going on and MRI departments wanting to close early that would have resulted in going home the same day (despite going at 10am), any party can fix that if they stop playing the political football. Why do they not stop talking cobblers and get on with it. Issues in the NHS are not political.
Nickyboy said:
As good as the NHS is i for one would welcome private healthcare like they have in America
The US system is horrific in terms of costs and efficiency, even as a private system the US taxpayer still spends more per patient then an equivalent UK payer as the 'competition' of making it a open market system has resulted in massively inflated prices. It is by far the worst system in use by any developed nation in the world and should be taken as lesson for all in the dangers of private care on a national scale.
My experiences and anecdotes of the NHS are all good, that's just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.
anonymous said:
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Does it? Genuine q. If that is the case the wrong people are in charge. Heck, I know that anyway. One of our dear leaders had a heart attack (Welsh Politics), he praised the Welsh NHS on the work they did for him to save his life and said it was a fine example.Thing is I expect emergencies to be treated as such, further down the urgent list, you can wait over a year for appointments for treatment and get to see the interdepartmental shambles as info is lost, found, disappeared for ever. It is an interesting ride if it is not life threatening (the latter I have little experience with).
I reckon the NHS is doing alright service wise, must just be different hospitals but the soaring costs is an issue, problem for Cameron is if he makes cuts he is seen as the devil, so he can't win, and going back to the OP, I would say the NHS is safe in his hands because its still here and doing the same average job as before.
Having been in hospital since the beginning of March with a debilitating condition, I have a new perspective on the troubles of the NHS. Although I consider myself extremely lucky to have gotten the treatment I have had, there are some obvious (to me) issues affecting certain fundamental aspects of care.
I have been on two wards, a busy general ward & now a neuro rehab ward. The two, whilst maintaining certainly similarities are quite different. The nursing has been 1st class given the staffing levels.
I haven't yet established a firm opinion of exactly how I think the problems should be addressed. There is one thing though.
Politicians who kick the issue of the NHS about like a football should actually spend some time in hospital. They might not be so quick to bandy their uninformed politically motivated opinions about as fact if they did. This particularly applies to the champagne socialist party.
I have been on two wards, a busy general ward & now a neuro rehab ward. The two, whilst maintaining certainly similarities are quite different. The nursing has been 1st class given the staffing levels.
I haven't yet established a firm opinion of exactly how I think the problems should be addressed. There is one thing though.
Politicians who kick the issue of the NHS about like a football should actually spend some time in hospital. They might not be so quick to bandy their uninformed politically motivated opinions about as fact if they did. This particularly applies to the champagne socialist party.
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