Tonight's seven~horse TV debate. Place your bets.
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te anymore.BGARK said:
Northern Munkee said:
LastLight said:
Northern Munkee said:
No need to worry about co2 I'll get a grant to put sails on my car.
Ah, but you won't be allowed a car. Four feet max.Leanne Wood is really irritating. I can hear Neil Kinnock.
Northern Munkee said:
LastLight said:
Northern Munkee said:
No need to worry about co2 I'll get a grant to put sails on my car.
Ah, but you won't be allowed a car. Four feet max.
ninja-lewis said:
He'll get a kicking either way.
Cameron has little to gain and a lot to lose from debates. Not only has he a record in Government to defend, he also has the burden of expectations: voters expect him to blow their socks off in a debate (be 'prime ministerial' so to speak) and will be disappointed if he's merely good. Miliband on other hand merely has to not pick his nose in front of the camera to exceed the low expectations people have for him. Be too robust and he'll come off as a bully, especially against the female leaders.
It's the same reason why Blair rejected debates as Leader of the Opposition in 1997 - the possible damage outweighed the limited gains to be made.
It also suits Cameron to sit this one out because it is effectively lowering Miliband to same level as the small parties.
Look at Nicola Sturgeon, she was given the win in the 7-way debate because she was a) unfamiliar to non-Scottish voters with correspondingly low expectations b) she knows more about Westminster politics than Cameron/Miliband do about Scottish politics and most of all c) she was largely unchallenged as Cameron/Miliband focused on each other. By contrast, she struggled in the Scottish leader debates where her opponents could take the fight to her and put her on the back foot.
With Cameron and Clegg absent, it does really come across as 'the rest'. If Ed doesn't excel against this shower, he looks like a loser. Cameron has little to gain and a lot to lose from debates. Not only has he a record in Government to defend, he also has the burden of expectations: voters expect him to blow their socks off in a debate (be 'prime ministerial' so to speak) and will be disappointed if he's merely good. Miliband on other hand merely has to not pick his nose in front of the camera to exceed the low expectations people have for him. Be too robust and he'll come off as a bully, especially against the female leaders.
It's the same reason why Blair rejected debates as Leader of the Opposition in 1997 - the possible damage outweighed the limited gains to be made.
It also suits Cameron to sit this one out because it is effectively lowering Miliband to same level as the small parties.
Look at Nicola Sturgeon, she was given the win in the 7-way debate because she was a) unfamiliar to non-Scottish voters with correspondingly low expectations b) she knows more about Westminster politics than Cameron/Miliband do about Scottish politics and most of all c) she was largely unchallenged as Cameron/Miliband focused on each other. By contrast, she struggled in the Scottish leader debates where her opponents could take the fight to her and put her on the back foot.
M3333 said:
Nigel talking down to earth common sense on immigration and not a single clap.
What utopia does this audience live in? Total delusion. Love him or loath him Farage raised some very good points about schools, GP's etc.
It's a challenge to see who can be the most nicey-nicey. Pisses me off.What utopia does this audience live in? Total delusion. Love him or loath him Farage raised some very good points about schools, GP's etc.
Laurel Green said:
Halb said:
Audience selected by an independent panel.
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