England, Wales and Scotland as indipendant states.

[johnxjsc1985]

Liokault said:

Is Wales part of the Union? Where's the dragon on the Union Jack? I think that Wales is part of the Union in the same way as the Wirrle is part of the Union.

Sorry to correct you but its "the Wirral". I think Wales is considered a principality they were far to busy fighting with each other.

[simoid]

England benefits from the union by not having failed states on its land borders.

[johnxjsc1985]

simoid said:

England benefits from the union by not having failed states on its land borders.

we could always rebuild Hadrians wall.

[Welshbeef]

Wales has sub 10% who support an Indy Wales this hasn't changed for 40+ years either.

[BGARK]

Am I the only one until the SNP and all this nonsense rose its head never had any issues with Scotland whatsoever. I do now..

[Axionknight]

BGARK said:

Am I the only one until the SNP and all this nonsense rose its head never had any issues with Scotland whatsoever. I do now..

You almost certainly will not be alone in that one, especially after last September. The feeling I got from a lot of people back home (West Yorkshire) was basically "stuff 'em, we don't care if they go" after the things they saw/had read.

[eldar]

Welshbeef said:

Wales has sub 10% who support an Indy Wales this hasn't changed for 40+ years either.

Seems to be concentrated in the North West of Wales.

[johnxjsc1985]

eldar said:

Seems to be concentrated in the North West of Wales.

the Welsh speaking areas. Wales is but 5% of the UK population I would like to know how they could exist with a population of approx 3.5mil

[Mojocvh]

McWigglebum4th said:

deadslow said:

McWigglebum4th said:

The rest of us are being dragged along by those scum

you shouldn't refer to people who hold different political views to you as 'scum'

When they tell you that you should be killed because of you vote tory then they are scum

^^^this^^^^

[TankRizzo]

Most Welsh don't hate the English, nor do they want independence. We know we have a great deal with the rest of the UK, we wouldn't want to change it. The only people who tell you this will be nutty "Free Welsh Army" wibblers.

[johnxjsc1985]

TankRizzo said:

Most Welsh don't hate the English, nor do they want independence. We know we have a great deal with the rest of the UK, we wouldn't want to change it. The only people who tell you this will be nutty "Free Welsh Army" wibblers.

To be fair I think its become evident you dont have a great deal compared to Scotland.

[anonymous-user]

johnxjsc1985 said:

TankRizzo said:

Most Welsh don't hate the English, nor do they want independence. We know we have a great deal with the rest of the UK, we wouldn't want to change it. The only people who tell you this will be nutty "Free Welsh Army" wibblers.

To be fair I think its become evident you dont have a great deal compared to Scotland.

There will always be arguments about getting more funding for Wales - and one of the reasons that the idea of leaving the EU won't gain much traction here is that we get enormous amounts of ESF and ERDF funding from them. Apart from that I don't think Wales is as left-wing as people think; it's a very "Labour" country obviously, but when you look at the sort of Socialist utopia the SNP wants to create in Scotland I just can't see us doing anything remotely like that.

[Welshbeef]

eldar said:

Welshbeef said:

Wales has sub 10% who support an Indy Wales this hasn't changed for 40+ years either.

Seems to be concentrated in the North West of Wales.

Well yes that's where the movement started
Pwllheli
Criccieth
Porthmadog
Llanystundwy
It's a fluent Welsh area outside of Tourist time it's rare to hear anyone talking English (unless they have moved to live there and not yet able to speak the language fully. Then of course locals will happily speak to you in English).
A turkey wonderful area and highly recommended.

[arp1]

It is really refreshing to have seen during the referendum debate that Scotland was seen to be a valued part of the union and an equal partner etc etc, however when Scottish MP's start coming down in bigger numbers, there is suddenly a problem? Cant have it all ways im afraid. Didnt get the government we voted for? It will be fine and dandy if thats the case and the snp get a lot of numbers this time and have a bit of influence. Is it any wonder there was and still is a case for indy?

[Welshbeef]

arp1 said:

It is really refreshing to have seen during the referendum debate that Scotland was seen to be a valued part of the union and an equal partner etc etc, however when Scottish MP's start coming down in bigger numbers, there is suddenly a problem? Cant have it all ways im afraid. Didnt get the government we voted for? It will be fine and dandy if thats the case and the snp get a lot of numbers this time and have a bit of influence. Is it any wonder there was and still is a case for indy?

Eh?
You'll have the exact same number of Westminster MPs post this election as you have now what do you mean?



One key thing you cannot have an SNP or Plaid Cymru in coalition as they are not a nationwide party and do not represent any views for the other areas of the UK. If they were fine but they are not so they cannot be a key part of the government nor can they block policies which the rUK have voted for (hence the reason you have holyrood Scottish votes for Scottish policies you'd assume logically you'd il fully agree English votes for English policies would be accepted without question)

[arp1]

If for example labour and conservatives have no seats in Scotland, they would end up having to mandate in Scotland therefore the same principle would apply. However as it stands, thats the way it is so Westminister would have to suck it up as you cannot solely have english mps running the show for the uk...

[Welshbeef]

arp1 said:

If for example labour and conservatives have no seats in Scotland, they would end up having to mandate in Scotland therefore the same principle would apply. However as it stands, thats the way it is so Westminister would have to suck it up as you cannot solely have english mps running the show for the uk...

Interesting point.

[McWigglebum4th]

arp1 said:

It is really refreshing to have seen during the referendum debate that Scotland was seen to be a valued part of the union and an equal partner etc etc,

So surely we should have 50% of the MPs otherwise it is not an equal partnership


Agree or disagree

[McWigglebum4th]

arp1 said:

however when Scottish MP's start coming down in bigger numbers, there is suddenly a problem? Cant have it all ways im afraid. Didnt get the government we voted for? It will be fine and dandy if thats the case and the snp get a lot of numbers this time and have a bit of influence. Is it any wonder there was and still is a case for indy?

The problem with the SNP is the extra £180 billion spending they want

Which is frankly


fking insane

[Welshbeef]

McWigglebum4th said:

arp1 said:

however when Scottish MP's start coming down in bigger numbers, there is suddenly a problem? Cant have it all ways im afraid. Didnt get the government we voted for? It will be fine and dandy if thats the case and the snp get a lot of numbers this time and have a bit of influence. Is it any wonder there was and still is a case for indy?

The problem with the SNP is the extra £180 billion spending they want

Which is frankly


fking insane

That's the key thing only a tiny % of Scottish voters vote for SNP and if SNP force through that none in Wales England or N Ireland are in agreement to it.

Why do the SNP think it's fine for our children to pay for our mistakes? You make the error accept it take it on the chin - to pass it on oh fk them they can pay for it is shameful