England, Wales and Scotland as indipendant states.

[McWigglebum4th]

Welshbeef said:

McWigglebum4th said:

arp1 said:

however when Scottish MP's start coming down in bigger numbers, there is suddenly a problem? Cant have it all ways im afraid. Didnt get the government we voted for? It will be fine and dandy if thats the case and the snp get a lot of numbers this time and have a bit of influence. Is it any wonder there was and still is a case for indy?

The problem with the SNP is the extra £180 billion spending they want

Which is frankly


fking insane

That's the key thing only a tiny % of Scottish voters vote for SNP and if SNP force through that none in Wales England or N Ireland are in agreement to it.

Why do the SNP think it's fine for our children to pay for our mistakes? You make the error accept it take it on the chin - to pass it on oh fk them they can pay for it is shameful

Any sane person sees it this way


But someone who utterly loathes the english and has such utter self loathing that he cannot imagine anyone in england doesn't hate the scottish sees everyone crapping themselves at the deeply socialist SNP getting controls to the country he believes it is blatant racism

[wc98]

BGARK said:

Am I the only one until the SNP and all this nonsense rose its head never had any issues with Scotland whatsoever. I do now..

i have to say what went on was embarrassing for the majority of scots . the only good thing was it strengthened the resolve not to let the idiots win.

[Rich G]

Simplest answer as far as I can see is scrap the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly (spend the money saved on the NHS or something as worthwhile) then build a new British Parliament building in say, York (reasonably central).

One island,
One country (Britain),
One parliament.

Simples.

[Welshbeef]

Rich G said:

Simplest answer as far as I can see is scrap the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly (spend the money saved on the NHS or something as worthwhile) then build a new British Parliament building in say, York (reasonably central).

One island,
One country (Britain),
One parliament.

Simples.

Also N Ireland assembly too.

[Welshbeef]

Rich G said:

Simplest answer as far as I can see is scrap the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly (spend the money saved on the NHS or something as worthwhile) then build a new British Parliament building in say, York (reasonably central).

One island,
One country (Britain),
One parliament.

Simples.

Also N Ireland assembly too and invite arOI to rejoin the UK and Normandy too given state France is in they will do it

[ellroy]

Rich G said:

Simplest answer as far as I can see is scrap the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly (spend the money saved on the NHS or something as worthwhile) then build a new British Parliament building in say, York (reasonably central).

One island,
One country (Britain),
One parliament.

Simples.

Bugger off! We don't want the political scum bags cluttering up our city.

[simoid]

arp1 said:

...however when Scottish MP's start coming down in bigger numbers, there is suddenly a problem?

Not sure if typo. Do you mean SNP?

Or are other MPs not Scottish?

[Sharted]

fking York?

Are you mental?

[Rich G]

Sharted said:

fking York?

Are you mental?

Probably, but I's a southerner so what would I know? Where would you suggest then?

[Sharted]

Rich G said:

Probably, but I's a southerner so what would I know? Where would you suggest then?

To be central probably birmingham but that's equally fked as a location.

[Axionknight]

It may be reasonably central to England but not to the mainland UK.....

[johnxjsc1985]

arp1 said:

If for example labour and conservatives have no seats in Scotland, they would end up having to mandate in Scotland therefore the same principle would apply. However as it stands, thats the way it is so Westminister would have to suck it up as you cannot solely have english mps running the show for the uk...

its an election for the UK not Scotland not Wales not England or NI.The majority of the population live in England the majority of MP's are in England thats just how it is.
That also means the majority of wealth is created in England the majority of taxes are raised in England

[anonymous-user]

arp1 said:

If for example labour and conservatives have no seats in Scotland, they would end up having to mandate in Scotland therefore the same principle would apply. However as it stands, thats the way it is so Westminister would have to suck it up as you cannot solely have english mps running the show for the uk...

Perhaps that argument would be better received if the SNP leadership was more open minded about a formal coalition or informal support.

Specifically, if it was prepared to support the party with the most seats in Westminster, fine. Clegg does not get much credit for having put the national interest before his party's in 2010.

As it is though we could end up with the Cons having more seats than Lab, but the SNP subverting the will of the majority of the country as a whole because of an entrenched hatred of the Cons.

[Chlamydia]

simoid said:

arp1 said:

...however when Scottish MP's start coming down in bigger numbers, there is suddenly a problem?

Not sure if typo. Do you mean SNP?

Or are other MPs not Scottish?

Maybe more constituencies have suddenly appeared in Scotland since the independence referendum?

[Welshbeef]

Greg66 said:

arp1 said:

If for example labour and conservatives have no seats in Scotland, they would end up having to mandate in Scotland therefore the same principle would apply. However as it stands, thats the way it is so Westminister would have to suck it up as you cannot solely have english mps running the show for the uk...

Perhaps that argument would be better received if the SNP leadership was more open minded about a formal coalition or informal support.

Specifically, if it was prepared to support the party with the most seats in Westminster, fine. Clegg does not get much credit for having put the national interest before his party's in 2010.

As it is though we could end up with the Cons having more seats than Lab, but the SNP subverting the will of the majority of the country as a whole because of an entrenched hatred of the Cons.

Have to ask why wouldn't any party join a coalition with another to have an impact no matter how small on the way the country is run.

Also why does SNP state they hate Tory so much and the Scottish people - when polls are showing roughly 1 in 5 Scottish are Tory supporters (that's barely 5% less than labour). Scottish Tory's are certainly a part of the country so IF it's a Tory Westminster govt they represent 20% of the settled will of the Scottish people



Lastly it's a shame that Ed M didn't state he would rather have another or perpetual Tory Govt than linking up with a party who's sole reason for existence is breaking up the union (if it wants to be more left set up a non splitting up the union left party done then a coalition would be fine). Or a grand Union - I actually wonder if this might be on the cards. It's worked fantastically well in Germany

[technodup]

arp1 said:

Is it any wonder there was and still is a case for indy?

There wasn't a case then and there isn't one now. I certainly can't remember the currency issue being resolved since September. Or the EU issue. Or any of the many other gaping holes in "the case".

England seems somehow in awe of the repulsive wee boot Sturgeon. Under the radar under Salmond and now on centre stage she is an impressive female performer, although compared to Bennett and Wood that's not hard.

But the fact remains Scotland has roundly rejected her prospectus decade after decade. She's not even standing in this election so ffs don't let the SNP tail wag the lame Labour dug.

[arp1]

simoid said:

Not sure if typo. Do you mean SNP?

Or are other MPs not Scottish?

Apologies - SNP MP's.

I dont believe for a second that they will get as many seat as polls predict, however any more than the current number will be a bonus and as a party FOR Scotland they will give us a bigger (so-called) voice and stand up for us as opposed to the london-centric parties that are only interested in cosying up to the big businesses and banks. So what if they are from Scotland? Is that the main reason ph'ers hate them with such fervour? If it was an english party im sure they wouldnt (and you cannot lump ukip in that bracket). If I can vote for a party that has a high chance of representing my constituency and thereafter be the majority in my 'region' then all the better. Absolutely no point in wasting away my vote on parties that do not stand up for us.

You see the sneering and insulting way the tories and labour are portraying Scotland during their soundbites and PMQ's etc... what happened to the lovebomb? Reptiles!

[arp1]

[/quote] so ffs don't let the SNP tail wag the lame Labour dug.

[/quote]


Why not? The tory tail has been wagging the lib-dem dug? Different policies etc allow a balanced ruling and with two parties supporting each other then surely it will be for the greater good of the country? Is it because it is a Scottish party that you are so concerned? Hell, the main parties are basically English ones anyway and we have to suck it up...

[Welshbeef]

arp1 said:

so ffs don't let the SNP tail wag the lame Labour dug.

Why not? The tory tail has been wagging the lib-dem dug? Different policies etc allow a balanced ruling and with two parties supporting each other then surely it will be for the greater good of the country? Is it because it is a Scottish party that you are so concerned? Hell, the main parties are basically English ones anyway and we have to suck it up...

For clarity when people say the tail wagging the dog it means the smaller party controlling the bigger party. So you had it confused saying the Tory tail wagging the lib dem dog.

[McWigglebum4th]

arp1 said:

Why not? The tory tail has been wagging the lib-dem dug? Different policies etc allow a balanced ruling and with two parties supporting each other then surely it will be for the greater good of the country? Is it because it is a Scottish party that you are so concerned? Hell, the main parties are basically English ones anyway and we have to suck it up...

Because you moron spending an extra 180 billion when we are already deeply in the red is fking insane