England, Wales and Scotland as indipendant states.
Discussion
So, after last nights debate, I can't see why we (me, the English) really need or really want the Scotish for anything other than historic, sentimental reasons. I think that as the indipendant even vote was so close, they clearly don't care that much either...I mean it really could have gone either way.
The Welsh have I think a deep dislike of the English and if they had a stronger national party, such as Scotland has, they would be pushing for their own referendum.
So, what do the English get out of the current situation? It's clear that if labour form our next government (possibly engineered by the Scots nationals) then the English won't have a government hat they voted for (to use Scotland's argument).
Isn't it time for the UK to look at the bigger picture? Why was the main emphasis of last night debate about keeping the Torys out of power, clearly the implication is that the Torys will be Englands choice.
The Welsh have I think a deep dislike of the English and if they had a stronger national party, such as Scotland has, they would be pushing for their own referendum.
So, what do the English get out of the current situation? It's clear that if labour form our next government (possibly engineered by the Scots nationals) then the English won't have a government hat they voted for (to use Scotland's argument).
Isn't it time for the UK to look at the bigger picture? Why was the main emphasis of last night debate about keeping the Torys out of power, clearly the implication is that the Torys will be Englands choice.
BoRED S2upid said:
Wales don't want independence and once we build another nuclear power station are quite happy to supply power to England.
As for the scots they seem hell bent on independence.
We aren'tAs for the scots they seem hell bent on independence.
38% of scotlands population is hell bent on independence and a socialist utopia
The rest of us are being dragged along by those scum
And not doubt they will be along to wave the victim card saying how they are oppressed
Liokault said:
The Welsh have I think a deep dislike of the English and if they had a stronger national party, such as Scotland has, they would be pushing for their own referendum.
Not sure what percentage of Wales actually thinks they can go it alone, that harridan thinks we can and as voters are fickle, it is sort of scary that people like here actually get to power. Personally I do not think there is animosity apart from the nationalists and they do not represent the whole.Except in the six nations......
But leave aside the figures, my guessing is that those change by the day and most people don't feel overly strongly.
The feeling I'm getting from the Welsh is really anti English and they seem to really feel like they are getting a bad deal out of the UK. For the Scotts, there was only a big in it and again, many there feel that they could do OK on this own.
For the English, I'm wondering just what we get out of the Union other than a left wing bias. We certainly carry the Welsh and I'm just not seeing the benifit of the Scott's over all, certainly after the cluster fruk that was the referendum, every promise was a benifit going north. What's comming South exactly?
The feeling I'm getting from the Welsh is really anti English and they seem to really feel like they are getting a bad deal out of the UK. For the Scotts, there was only a big in it and again, many there feel that they could do OK on this own.
For the English, I'm wondering just what we get out of the Union other than a left wing bias. We certainly carry the Welsh and I'm just not seeing the benifit of the Scott's over all, certainly after the cluster fruk that was the referendum, every promise was a benifit going north. What's comming South exactly?
McWigglebum4th said:
deadslow said:
McWigglebum4th said:
The rest of us are being dragged along by those scum
you shouldn't refer to people who hold different political views to you as 'scum'
Liokault said:
The Welsh have I think a deep dislike of the English and if they had a stronger national party, such as Scotland has, they would be pushing for their own referendum.
You are wrong on both counts. There's far too much crossover between England and Wales for there to be genuine animosity, apart from the usual sport-based B.S. That also means there isn't the same appetite for independence, especially among those who have worked with the Welsh Government before.
jmorgan said:
Liokault said:
The feeling I'm getting from the Welsh is really anti English and they seem to really feel like they are getting a bad deal out of the UK.
Where from?Both of the last times I went into Wales I came away regretting it, due to the massively anti English feeling I felt.
I also have a Welsh friend, talking to him, he would love nothing more than to see an independent Wales, he comically openly States his hatred for England, despite now having lived most of his life here. I don't think his view is uncommon. I recently spent a business trip to the states with a Welsh guy, his view was broadly similar.
Liokault said:
jmorgan said:
Liokault said:
The feeling I'm getting from the Welsh is really anti English and they seem to really feel like they are getting a bad deal out of the UK.
Where from?Both of the last times I went into Wales I came away regretting it, due to the massively anti English feeling I felt.
I also have a Welsh friend, talking to him, he would love nothing more than to see an independent Wales, he comically openly States his hatred for England, despite now having lived most of his life here. I don't think his view is uncommon. I recently spent a business trip to the states with a Welsh guy, his view was broadly similar.
it seems wrong that 50 million plus people will be held to ransome by a few Scots and 6 sheep.
Seriously Labour cannot form a government without the SNP and they constantly refer to the Tories when the really they mean the English or more correctly London.
I doubt many would think the last 5 years have been fun but the next 5 years fill me with dread.
Seriously Labour cannot form a government without the SNP and they constantly refer to the Tories when the really they mean the English or more correctly London.
I doubt many would think the last 5 years have been fun but the next 5 years fill me with dread.
Life would have been a lot simpler if the Anglo Saxons, or at least the Angles, hadn't come to Britain at all. They could have set up England somewhere like the south of France. By now the various tribes of Celts would just be arguing with each other and the English would be sitting peacefully watching topless sunbathers on the French Riviera.
Dr Jekyll said:
Life would have been a lot simpler if the Anglo Saxons, or at least the Angles, hadn't come to Britain at all. They could have set up England somewhere like the south of France. By now the various tribes of Celts would just be arguing with each other and the English would be sitting peacefully watching topless sunbathers on the French Riviera.
I believe William took a day to conquer England but when it came to Wales he realised nobody actually ruled the place they had Princes all over the show hence the Castle building programme.Maybe the Union never was a Union afterall
johnxjsc1985 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Life would have been a lot simpler if the Anglo Saxons, or at least the Angles, hadn't come to Britain at all. They could have set up England somewhere like the south of France. By now the various tribes of Celts would just be arguing with each other and the English would be sitting peacefully watching topless sunbathers on the French Riviera.
I believe William took a day to conquer England but when it came to Wales he realised nobody actually ruled the place they had Princes all over the show hence the Castle building programme.Maybe the Union never was a Union afterall
johnxjsc1985 said:
I believe William took a day to conquer England but when it came to Wales he realised nobody actually ruled the place they had Princes all over the show hence the Castle building programme.
Maybe the Union never was a Union after all
Edward I sort of got his act together and built/improved a load, that was when it got serious. Henry IIIV was the final nail in the coffin I think with the act of the union. That was when Thomas, Jones etc started to get foisted on us but that was a long time ago.Maybe the Union never was a Union after all
So. who do I blame, Romans? They should never have given up so easily.
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