Trade union and socialist coalition party

[TwigtheWonderkid]

fblm said:

Really? The entire cost of your amazon order is the wages of the guy in the warehouse boxing up your order and he can only box up one thing an hour? You might want to have a think about how the costs of the goods and services you buy break down. If you need to pay your 'barista' an extra 30% you don't have to put each coffee up 30%, you can spread the cost across all the coffees he makes. I can see how that would be confusing.

He'd be so over the moon with his new found wealth, he might actually spend some of it on goods and services himself. And others who have received the same increase might splash out on the odd posh coffee, that they never would have done before. Or he may feel more valued as an employee, and take to selling the odd cake with the coffee he makes.

We're always been told that those with money create wealth for others, trickle down economics, but for some reason it seems this can't apply to the bloke in the coffee shop.

[anonymous-user]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

He'd be so over the moon with his new found wealth, he might actually spend some of it on goods and services himself. And others who have received the same increase might splash out on the odd posh coffee, that they never would have done before. Or he may feel more valued as an employee, and take to selling the odd cake with the coffee he makes.

So you're saying that extra few quid then gets spent on more goods and services which the low earner could not previously afford? You'll be saying there's no need for £23bn in working tax credits so you can half corporation tax next! That's dangerous commy talk boy.

[alock]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Du1point8 said:

No one ever thinks of that, but they will be the first to complain when the price of stuff doubles, blaming the business for being money grabbing bastids, when in fact its the NMW hike that does it.

A cheeseburger costs 99p and they pay the guy that serves it £6.50/hour. Can you explain the maths to me as to how that cheeseburger becomes £1.98 by paying him £10. Taking into account that by paying him £10/hour and actually making him feel as if he is valued might mean he might sell a few extra cokes and apple pies with the cheeseburger.

Who's cooking the cheese burger? Where did they buy it from; does that factory have employees? Where did the raw material come from; does that farm have employees? Where does the cattle feed come from; does that factory have employees? Where does the bread roll come from; are the bakers exempt from the higher NMW? How about the packaging; is that factory 100% automated?

Can you really not see that the entire chain will experience raised prices? If the NMW rises by 30% then the price of everything will rise. It might not be by 30% but it won't be far off.

I can only assume that you think every company will just absorb this extra cost out of their profit margin. In which case you are taking it out of everyone's pension because the values of these companies will decrease because its based on their profit making capability.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

fblm said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

He'd be so over the moon with his new found wealth, he might actually spend some of it on goods and services himself. And others who have received the same increase might splash out on the odd posh coffee, that they never would have done before. Or he may feel more valued as an employee, and take to selling the odd cake with the coffee he makes.

So you're saying that extra few quid then gets spent on more goods and services which the low earner could not previously afford?

It might be necessities that they couldn't previously afford. Food/clothing etc. I doubt they'll be putting the extra £3.50/ hour into a long term savings account. And maybe the odd treat.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

alock said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Du1point8 said:

No one ever thinks of that, but they will be the first to complain when the price of stuff doubles, blaming the business for being money grabbing bastids, when in fact its the NMW hike that does it.

A cheeseburger costs 99p and they pay the guy that serves it £6.50/hour. Can you explain the maths to me as to how that cheeseburger becomes £1.98 by paying him £10. Taking into account that by paying him £10/hour and actually making him feel as if he is valued might mean he might sell a few extra cokes and apple pies with the cheeseburger.

Who's cooking the cheese burger? Where did they buy it from; does that factory have employees? Where did the raw material come from; does that farm have employees? Where does the cattle feed come from; does that factory have employees? Where does the bread roll come from; are the bakers exempt from the higher NMW? How about the packaging; is that factory 100% automated?

Can you really not see that the entire chain will experience raised prices? If the NMW rises by 30% then the price of everything will rise. It might not be by 30% but it won't be far off.

I can only assume that you think every company will just absorb this extra cost out of their profit margin. In which case you are taking it out of everyone's pension because the values of these companies will decrease because its based on their profit making capability.

You still haven't explained the 100% price increase Du1point8 claimed would result from a 30% increase in NMW. I am waiting with baited breath.

[Rovinghawk]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I am waiting with baited breath.

Been eating maggots?

(the word is bated)

[eldar]

Du1point8 said:

In the end one of two things will happen... The business goes under, or we pay the wages of the staff in massive price hikes.

More than two options. Add automation, offshoring, more incentive to exploitation. This thread seems to be centred on fast food, and ignores manufacturing, call centres and all the back office stuff.

It sounds like my local council justifying a steep increase in parking charges in a moribund town. Well, people have to come shopping and see their solicitors, so they will have to pay!

Trouble is, people didn't and a ststorm ensued.

[Du1point8]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I am waiting with baited breath.

I wasn't not stating it will rise 100% in price.

I said that you will be the first person to complain when the price of stuff doubles.

At no point was I using calculations to work out that 50% increase in NMW = 100% price increase on products.

That was all in your own head and you came to that conclusion and fixated on that.

[wolves_wanderer]

Rovinghawk said:

Been eating maggots?

(the word is bated)

Great contribution, pedantry is something we are lacking on this site.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Du1point8 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I am waiting with baited breath.

I wasn't not stating it will rise 100% in price.

I said that you will be the first person to complain when the price of stuff doubles.

At no point was I using calculations to work out that 50% increase in NMW = 100% price increase on products.

That was all in your own head and you came to that conclusion and fixated on that.

What percentage increase is it when the price doubles?

[Rovinghawk]

wolves_wanderer said:

Rovinghawk said:

Been eating maggots?

(the word is bated)

Great contribution, pedantry is something we are lacking on this site.

It's a pet hate when people can't spell simple words.

[anonymous-user]

Du1point8 said:

No one ever thinks of that, but they will be the first to complain when the price of stuff doubles...

[Guybrush]

On the subject of Trade Unions, it's been discovered that over half of Labour candidates in key seats are sponsored by far left Unite militants. As if Labour isn't dangerous enough with their likely links with the communist SNP, they're in bed with the Unions - it's all going back to the disastrous 70s whereby the country was an economic basket case mismanaged by Labour and the Unions. As had been said for years, the far left in Labour is just beneath their shiny veneer...

Details: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3049576/Un...

Unite has given many £millions to Labour
Many of Unite leader's have become Labour party policy.

[edh]

Guybrush said:

On the subject of Trade Unions, it's been discovered that over half of Labour candidates in key seats are sponsored by far left Unite militants. As if Labour isn't dangerous enough with their likely links with the communist SNP, they're in bed with the Unions - it's all going back to the disastrous 70s whereby the country was an economic basket case mismanaged by Labour and the Unions. As had been said for years, the far left in Labour is just beneath their shiny veneer...

Details: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3049576/Un...

Unite has given many £millions to Labour
Many of Unite leader's have become Labour party policy.

"Political Party founded by Trade Unions discovered to be in bed with the Unions Shocker!"

Did you never understand the connection between the Unions and the Labour Party?

How about the "Communist" SNP? Where's the evidence from their Holyrood administration?

anyway, fantastic "discovery" by the Mail..

[wolves_wanderer]

edh said:

Guybrush said:

On the subject of Trade Unions, it's been discovered that over half of Labour candidates in key seats are sponsored by far left Unite militants. As if Labour isn't dangerous enough with their likely links with the communist SNP, they're in bed with the Unions - it's all going back to the disastrous 70s whereby the country was an economic basket case mismanaged by Labour and the Unions. As had been said for years, the far left in Labour is just beneath their shiny veneer...

Details: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3049576/Un...

Unite has given many £millions to Labour
Many of Unite leader's have become Labour party policy.

"Political Party founded by Trade Unions discovered to be in bed with the Unions Shocker!"

Did you never understand the connection between the Unions and the Labour Party?

How about the "Communist" SNP? Where's the evidence from their Holyrood administration?

anyway, fantastic "discovery" by the Mail..

I'm looking forward to their expose of favourite ursine toilet locations

[Scuffers]

bit of an old one, but tripped over this QT on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=458&v=DnKajGlp...

Actually changed my view of Bob Crow...

[V8covin]

I raise you Arthur Scargills Socialist Labour Party.He wants £12ph minimum wage and EU withdrawal.
Where do I put my cross ?

[P5Nij]

V8covin said:

I raise you Arthur Scargills Socialist Labour Party.He wants £12ph minimum wage and EU withdrawal.
Where do I put my cross ?

Not to mention the 90% tax!

Is he ill?

[Vaud]

V8covin said:

I raise you Arthur Scargills Socialist Labour Party.He wants £12ph minimum wage and EU withdrawal.
Where do I put my cross ?

It is a very, very funny read though and seems to be hosted by a for-profit, capitalist company.

They even manage a Hitler reference by page 8.

Apparently the solution is to nationalise a lot, scrap capitalism and we suddenly gain a big boost from international trade amidst a bunch of other tosh.

http://www.socialist-labour-party.org.uk

[schmunk]

V8covin said:

I raise you Arthur Scargills Socialist Labour Party.He wants £12ph minimum wage and EU withdrawal.
Where do I put my cross ?

Through his heart...?