Why do you hate the SNP?
Discussion
Neil H said:
Above is a good example of exactly what the SNP is trying to do – divide people. Getting both sides to dislike each other makes their job much easier.
What about the comments from the likes of Boris Johnson, Theresa May, John Major and David Cameron and any pick of the Daily Mail / Telegraph columnistsDo the SNP control them as well?
arp1 said:
If like cameron et al said in the dying days of the referendum campaign that we really were valued and loved etc and he was moved to tears about it all, is he now decrying the unruly Scots voting in who they like and if one party has a large number of seats, it is now undemocratic and would lack legitimacy? They cannot have their cake and eat it.
God lord, you didn't actually believe that, did you???You're about as valued and loved by the English as a tree in a neighbour's garden, which is to say we don't give you a moment's thought until you get blown onto our roof in a storm.
Cameron's comments about loving the Scots were appeasement focused in two directions...
1. He is, at the end of the day, the leader of the Conservative and Unionist party of historical tradition. There were still a lot of the blue rinse brigade who bought heavily into the Unionist part of that.
2. The financial markets don't like change, so he sought to demonstrate to them that he was moving heaven and earth to avoid said change.
To that extent, he has played a bit of a blinder.
The continued bleating and whingeing of the Scots - despite their promise to respect the outcome of the referendum - means that the Blue Rinsers will place any blame for any eventual break up of the Union firmly on the shoulders of Sturgeon and co betraying that nice Mr Cameron, and will continue to vote for him, plus there's a good chance the markets will just decide that the rUK is far better off without the whingers that any impact on the rUK economy will be minimal and, frankly, who gives a toss what happens North of the border???
arp1 said:
What? You really do have issues. If like cameron et al said in the dying days of the referendum campaign that we really were valued and loved etc and he was moved to tears about it all, is he now decrying the unruly Scots voting in who they like and if one party has a large number of seats, it is now undemocratic and would lack legitimacy? They cannot have their cake and eat it.
And please stop being a rude and spiteful little man(?) and remember, it's nice to be nice and respectful to others.
I don't think Cameron et al have a problem with the Scots, just Scottish nationalists.And please stop being a rude and spiteful little man(?) and remember, it's nice to be nice and respectful to others.
You'd love to think it was all Scots though.
#victimcard
Saint Nicola the turgid was on R4 this morning, I notice she got an easy ride as usual.
The thing that annoys me about the SNP at the moment is Sturgeon repeatedly equating the SNP with Scotland itself, especially when discussing possible coalitions. She keeps saying "Scotland exerting it's power" when she actually means "the SNP exerting it's power", it's a variation on "no true Scotsman would vote no" and she should be pulled up for it.
The thing that annoys me about the SNP at the moment is Sturgeon repeatedly equating the SNP with Scotland itself, especially when discussing possible coalitions. She keeps saying "Scotland exerting it's power" when she actually means "the SNP exerting it's power", it's a variation on "no true Scotsman would vote no" and she should be pulled up for it.
McWigglebum4th said:
Kermit power said:
who gives a toss what happens North of the border???
I doAs i like living up here
As not everyone is a victimcard waving piece of trash who believes the world is out to get them
Kermit power said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Kermit power said:
who gives a toss what happens North of the border???
I doAs i like living up here
As not everyone is a victimcard waving piece of trash who believes the world is out to get them
FWIW to any scottish readers - Kermit doesn't speak for all of the UK.
I love scotland. I quite like most scots. I can't see any upside of devolution and loads of downsides - for both sides of the border.
However, the thought that a minority party with an agenda like the SNP's getting huge power in westminster worries and saddens me. I'm sure it's democracy if they get in, but a pretty screwed up one - since less than 50% of scotland (in turn is 8% of england) wanted the yes vote, this means that policies for the whole will be dictated by nutters who account for at most 6% of the population, and more likely 4%.
I love scotland. I quite like most scots. I can't see any upside of devolution and loads of downsides - for both sides of the border.
However, the thought that a minority party with an agenda like the SNP's getting huge power in westminster worries and saddens me. I'm sure it's democracy if they get in, but a pretty screwed up one - since less than 50% of scotland (in turn is 8% of england) wanted the yes vote, this means that policies for the whole will be dictated by nutters who account for at most 6% of the population, and more likely 4%.
Not sure if worthy of a separate thread but...
Let's say the split of seat percentage is:
Tories 35
Labour 35
SNP 8
LibDem 6
UKIP 6
NI folk 5
Green/Welsh 5
Is a Labour-Tory coalition the worst outcome here?
What are the downsides if you are a Tory voter to joining with the Labour Party in government, as opposed to facing a Labour/SNP/LibDem/Green/Welsh coalition? (I think the maths work for that)
Let's say the split of seat percentage is:
Tories 35
Labour 35
SNP 8
LibDem 6
UKIP 6
NI folk 5
Green/Welsh 5
Is a Labour-Tory coalition the worst outcome here?
What are the downsides if you are a Tory voter to joining with the Labour Party in government, as opposed to facing a Labour/SNP/LibDem/Green/Welsh coalition? (I think the maths work for that)
Edited by simoid on Monday 27th April 11:54
Funk said:
The irony is that I now support the SNP's goals - getting Scotland out of the Union.
Sorry to those of you Scots who want to stay but when you get gangrene in a limb you have to amputate to stop it spreading further.
I feel differently to that, although I can understand your reasoning. Were there a vote to eject Scotland from the Union, I would vote No. Quite simply because the majority of Scots are decent people, and I would not wish to potentially alienate/ punish them because they have an SNP turd in their swimming pool. Sorry to those of you Scots who want to stay but when you get gangrene in a limb you have to amputate to stop it spreading further.
Some Gump said:
The snp CANT get 8% of the vote. To do that, they would need to get every songle scottish vote.
However, they could easily get 8% of seats.
This is why the system is arse as far as I am concerned.
Can't see there being more than 2m SNP votes. There were 1.6m yes votes in the referendum on a massive turnout.However, they could easily get 8% of seats.
This is why the system is arse as far as I am concerned.
2m/63m is about 3% of the UK eh.
Cheese Mechanic said:
I feel differently to that, although I can understand your reasoning. Were there a vote to eject Scotland from the Union, I would vote No. Quite simply because the majority of Scots are decent people, and I would not wish to potentially alienate/ punish them because they have an SNP turd in their swimming pool.
I think the long term solution is for the SNP to have enough rope to hang themselves, ie more control than they can handle.The SNP MP candidates that I've seen so far appear to be utter bam pots. The obvious danger with that plan is that they could f
k the country's recovery for a good wee while.simoid said:
I think the long term solution is for the SNP to have enough rope to hang themselves, ie more control than they can handle.
The SNP MP candidates that I've seen so far appear to be utter bam pots. The obvious danger with that plan is that they could fk the country's recovery for a good wee while.
Well, yes, but as you point out they could truly fThe SNP MP candidates that I've seen so far appear to be utter bam pots. The obvious danger with that plan is that they could f
k the country's recovery for a good wee while.k up our economy, with currently unknown results, a form of disaster at the very least. That however, is not the worst aspoect of their lunacy.
That , that is called Trident. If we lose Trident, we will lose our permanent seat on the UN security council. Without any doubt. That seat gives us immense status and influence on the world stage . If we lost it,its almost 100% we would not get it back. The effect on this country that lost staus and influence would have is uncalculable.
Dangerous, dangerous lunacy on the part of the SNP.
The big issue we have up here is that the majority of Yes voters will vote SNP, as they still offer the only way to a second referendum. The majority of No voters will be voting the other big 3, with some voting SNP but not wanting to split the union.
The issue\worry is that the SNP vote isnt fragmented, but non SNP voters have a choice of three, so even in you get a 30% SNP vote, and 29% for the other three, you end up with an SNP majority.
I realize this is how FPTP works, but its scary that the minority in the referendum AND the election can claim to speak for 'all' of Scotland
The issue\worry is that the SNP vote isnt fragmented, but non SNP voters have a choice of three, so even in you get a 30% SNP vote, and 29% for the other three, you end up with an SNP majority.
I realize this is how FPTP works, but its scary that the minority in the referendum AND the election can claim to speak for 'all' of Scotland
Cheese Mechanic said:
Well, yes, but as you point out they could truly fk up our economy, with currently unknown results, a form of disaster at the
very least. That however, is not the worst aspoect of their lunacy.
That , that is called Trident. If we lose Trident, we will lose our permanent seat on the UN security council. Without any doubt. That seat gives us immense status and influence on the world stage . If we lost it,its almost 100% we would not get it back. The effect on this country that lost staus and influence would have is uncalculable.
Dangerous, dangerous lunacy on the part of the SNP.
But it would be bad for the english on an international standingk up our economy, with currently unknown results, a form of disaster at the very least. That however, is not the worst aspoect of their lunacy.
That , that is called Trident. If we lose Trident, we will lose our permanent seat on the UN security council. Without any doubt. That seat gives us immense status and influence on the world stage . If we lost it,its almost 100% we would not get it back. The effect on this country that lost staus and influence would have is uncalculable.
Dangerous, dangerous lunacy on the part of the SNP.
Which is all that matters to the SNP
If westminister offered the SNP complete control over the nukes and a place on the security council they would jump at the chance
Some Gump said:
FWIW to any scottish readers - Kermit doesn't speak for all of the UK.
I love scotland. I quite like most scots. I can't see any upside of devolution and loads of downsides - for both sides of the border.
However, the thought that a minority party with an agenda like the SNP's getting huge power in westminster worries and saddens me. I'm sure it's democracy if they get in, but a pretty screwed up one - since less than 50% of scotland (in turn is 8% of england) wanted the yes vote, this means that policies for the whole will be dictated by nutters who account for at most 6% of the population, and more likely 4%.
Thanks for the sentiments in the first part of your post.I love scotland. I quite like most scots. I can't see any upside of devolution and loads of downsides - for both sides of the border.
However, the thought that a minority party with an agenda like the SNP's getting huge power in westminster worries and saddens me. I'm sure it's democracy if they get in, but a pretty screwed up one - since less than 50% of scotland (in turn is 8% of england) wanted the yes vote, this means that policies for the whole will be dictated by nutters who account for at most 6% of the population, and more likely 4%.
A vote for the SNP isn't necessarily a vote for indepedence. Arguably, the SNP have been a very good government for the people of Scotland and I know lots of people who support them but who are not in favour of independence.
McWigglebum4th said:
Cheese Mechanic said:
Well, yes, but as you point out they could truly fk up our economy, with currently unknown results, a form of disaster at the
very least. That however, is not the worst aspoect of their lunacy.
That , that is called Trident. If we lose Trident, we will lose our permanent seat on the UN security council. Without any doubt. That seat gives us immense status and influence on the world stage . If we lost it,its almost 100% we would not get it back. The effect on this country that lost staus and influence would have is uncalculable.
Dangerous, dangerous lunacy on the part of the SNP.
[b]But it would be bad for the english on an international standingk up our economy, with currently unknown results, a form of disaster at the very least. That however, is not the worst aspoect of their lunacy.
That , that is called Trident. If we lose Trident, we will lose our permanent seat on the UN security council. Without any doubt. That seat gives us immense status and influence on the world stage . If we lost it,its almost 100% we would not get it back. The effect on this country that lost staus and influence would have is uncalculable.
Dangerous, dangerous lunacy on the part of the SNP.
Which is all that matters to the SNP[/b]
If westminister offered the SNP complete control over the nukes and a place on the security council they would jump at the chance
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