Why do you hate the SNP?
Discussion
arp1 said:
Funk said:
simoid said:
Cheese Mechanic said:
I feel differently to that, although I can understand your reasoning. Were there a vote to eject Scotland from the Union, I would vote No. Quite simply because the majority of Scots are decent people, and I would not wish to potentially alienate/ punish them because they have an SNP turd in their swimming pool.
I think the long term solution is for the SNP to have enough rope to hang themselves, ie more control than they can handle.The SNP MP candidates that I've seen so far appear to be utter bam pots. The obvious danger with that plan is that they could f
k the country's recovery for a good wee while.The SNP are doing well just now because they have been able to whip up anti Tory\anti westminster\The 'auld enemy' fervor during the ref build up and mentioning Thatcher at any opportunity, when in fact she hasnt had an effect in UK politics for some 25 years, the SNP know that thatcher was a massive divisive element in UK politics, namely the Poll Tax up here, but mining and old industry down south, so for the last 30 odd years its been 'anyone but the tories'.
However for the last 15 years before the 2010 election, Labour have been in charge with large majorities, and it wasn't a utopia then. The SNP arew now the only alternative vote for many scots who feel hard done by, no other choice to vote for as they feel cheated by labour, mainly as they realise change had to happen after their chronic mismanagement of the Economy, but the SNP are offering the continuation of borrowing and public spending, so for many scots who voted Yes in the referendum, (who were often from underprivileged areas or areas who want some regeneration, see the SNP as their method of carrying on regardless.
On a more direct reply to your above post, the tories have One seat in the scottish parliament, but the only received 70,000 less votes than the SNP in the last election, out of the 900,00 who voted either Tory or SNP, thats a very small percentage.
many scots want Tory, more scots want tory\labour but as that combined figure (though greater than the SNP vote) is split, it means some voters need to make a hard choice to avoid an SNP whitewash, either vote as you always have or as a nation vote for one main party against the SNP.
How this will turn out i don't know, but when you see Sturgeon preening that she will be the power maker in a westminster parliament when she isn't standing, and wont be an UK MP, i think its a bit rich spouting some of the stuff she does.
arp1 said:
If scottish nationalists cannot contribute to the UK government without causing a constitutional crisis is it any wonder they are striving for independence?
The reason it causes a crisis, is because the SNP are so diametrically opposed to the majority beliefs of the UK that it creates resentment and infighting politics that are only out to see the other side look bad, it helps the public not one jot, and only incites resentment between England and Scotland for the sole benefit of the SNP politicians.Cheese Mechanic said:
simoid said:
I think the long term solution is for the SNP to have enough rope to hang themselves, ie more control than they can handle.
The SNP MP candidates that I've seen so far appear to be utter bam pots. The obvious danger with that plan is that they could fk the country's recovery for a good wee while.
Well, yes, but as you point out they could truly fThe SNP MP candidates that I've seen so far appear to be utter bam pots. The obvious danger with that plan is that they could f
k the country's recovery for a good wee while.k up our economy, with currently unknown results, a form of disaster at the very least. That however, is not the worst aspoect of their lunacy.
That , that is called Trident. If we lose Trident, we will lose our permanent seat on the UN security council. Without any doubt. That seat gives us immense status and influence on the world stage . If we lost it,its almost 100% we would not get it back. The effect on this country that lost staus and influence would have is uncalculable.
Dangerous, dangerous lunacy on the part of the SNP.
Cheese Mechanic said:
MOD looking at potentially resiting Trident at Gibraltar. All because of the SNP hysterics.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/572986/Gibralt...
Easy way for the SNP to cost the country 1000's of jobs. fking idiots.
Imagine joining the Navy and being asked to fhttp://www.express.co.uk/news/world/572986/Gibralt...
Easy way for the SNP to cost the country 1000's of jobs. f
king idiots. king travel, it's a disgraceI'm sure the 520 Civilian jobs could be put to another use, Longannet's needing raised to the ground due to UK/NG transmission costs
Strocky said:
Do the UK get the keys for the new Trident model or do we just get to polish it for the Yanks, like the current model?
Please stop with this rubbish, the Americans have no say in how we defend our nation with regards to the launching of nuclear weapons, We bought them from the USA, which includes parts and machining\control systems etc.We operate them, we own them, its a national defence system which will not be known to foreign governments. When US subs dock at faslane they dont all get a tour of the subs, nor do we get into theirs.
Its like when the americans bought our old harriers, we cant tell them what they can or cant do with them.
When you buy a car, the manufacturer doesn't have say on when you get to use it, as its your property.
Our control systems and launch systems are not linked to the USA systems, its like that for a reason, if during a war we lost contact with the USA etc or any NATO ally the UK govt makes the decision on when UK nuclear weapons are fired.
The only way it would work as you suggest would be if the americans had bases within the UK where the nuclear deterrent was housed, and they held the launch controls, but no british government is going to let another countries nuclear deterrent be held on british soil, nor would any other NATO nation.
Its simple internet paranoia facts that have been trotted out so often now during the referendum build up its become a cliche.
andymadmak said:
Except that as a nation, the Government is whatever the nation votes for. So your argument is specious. That being said, if we are to take your argument seriously, what about the fact that the Scottish Conservatives polled almost as many votes as the SNP at the last GE? Or do the views of Scottish Conservative voters not count in your brave new Scotland?
The plan facts are that if the SNP want to have a mandate to direct policy for the UK, let them field candidates across the UK.
N'eer a squeek about FPTP from any of the BT parties, the Tories actively spiked the AV referendum by making up the cost @ £250m, however the minute Scotland might send down 40/50 SNP MP's the games a bogey and democracy is in chaos and the whole system needs changed, you couldn't mark their necks with a blowtorchThe plan facts are that if the SNP want to have a mandate to direct policy for the UK, let them field candidates across the UK.
Strocky said:
Cheese Mechanic said:
MOD looking at potentially resiting Trident at Gibraltar. All because of the SNP hysterics.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/572986/Gibralt...
Easy way for the SNP to cost the country 1000's of jobs. fking idiots.
Imagine joining the Navy and being asked to fhttp://www.express.co.uk/news/world/572986/Gibralt...
Easy way for the SNP to cost the country 1000's of jobs. f
king idiots. king travel, it's a disgraceI'm sure the 520 Civilian jobs could be put to another use, Longannet's needing raised to the ground due to UK/NG transmission costs
BAE systems and Rolls Royce all operate in that area because of the submarine\naval base. Its thousands of jobs, and many dont work for the MOD, they work for private firms who contract work to the MOD, such as the refit of the faslane fabrication yards recently for the creation of the new astute class etc.
But hey ho, keep believing wings over Scotland and that evry worker who ever had to do a job with the MOD should expect to be told to move to the other side of the country or lose their job all because 37.9% of the scottish voting public believe that how the MOD spends a small annual % of its budget has anything to do with them. But when the SNP want to borrow £180 billion to throw at benefit upkeep and ensuring the black hole of NHS funding carries on unchecked, that's fine though.
Strocky said:
I'm sure the 520 Civilian jobs could be put to another use, Longannet's needing raised to the ground due to UK/NG transmission costs
No jobs supported in the outlying area then. Astonishing. Approx 11000 , apparently. Still they don't matter eh? Scottish Nazi Party knows best, eh?Rick_1138 said:
Strocky said:
Do the UK get the keys for the new Trident model or do we just get to polish it for the Yanks, like the current model?
Please stop with this rubbish, the Americans have no say in how we defend our nation with regards to the launching of nuclear weapons, We bought them from the USA, which includes parts and machining\control systems etc.We operate them, we own them, its a national defence system which will not be known to foreign governments. When US subs dock at faslane they dont all get a tour of the subs, nor do we get into theirs.
Its like when the americans bought our old harriers, we cant tell them what they can or cant do with them.
When you buy a car, the manufacturer doesn't have say on when you get to use it, as its your property.
Our control systems and launch systems are not linked to the USA systems, its like that for a reason, if during a war we lost contact with the USA etc or any NATO ally the UK govt makes the decision on when UK nuclear weapons are fired.
The only way it would work as you suggest would be if the americans had bases within the UK where the nuclear deterrent was housed, and they held the launch controls, but no british government is going to let another countries nuclear deterrent be held on british soil, nor would any other NATO nation.
Its simple internet paranoia facts that have been trotted out so often now during the referendum build up its become a cliche.
The UK is reliant on the USA's co-operation to keep Trident
Strocky said:
andymadmak said:
Except that as a nation, the Government is whatever the nation votes for. So your argument is specious. That being said, if we are to take your argument seriously, what about the fact that the Scottish Conservatives polled almost as many votes as the SNP at the last GE? Or do the views of Scottish Conservative voters not count in your brave new Scotland?
The plan facts are that if the SNP want to have a mandate to direct policy for the UK, let them field candidates across the UK.
N'eer a squeek about FPTP from any of the BT parties, the Tories actively spiked the AV referendum by making up the cost @ £250m, however the minute Scotland might send down 40/50 SNP MP's the games a bogey and democracy is in chaos and the whole system needs changed, you couldn't mark their necks with a blowtorchThe plan facts are that if the SNP want to have a mandate to direct policy for the UK, let them field candidates across the UK.
simoid said:
Some Gump said:
The snp CANT get 8% of the vote. To do that, they would need to get every songle scottish vote.
However, they could easily get 8% of seats.
This is why the system is arse as far as I am concerned.
Can't see there being more than 2m SNP votes. There were 1.6m yes votes in the referendum on a massive turnout.However, they could easily get 8% of seats.
This is why the system is arse as far as I am concerned.
2m/63m is about 3% of the UK eh.
Strocky said:
When the manufacturer has control over your stock of spare parts that need replacing, the fuel needed to drive the car and has disabled the sat nav so you only know roughly how to get to your destination then it's not really that great of a deal is it?
The UK is reliant on the USA's co-operation to keep Trident
Proof please that you know how the UK nuclear defense worksThe UK is reliant on the USA's co-operation to keep Trident
Please post all offical documents you have in your hands
SNP is a party who wish to end the UK. Shirley they don't want to positively contribute to something they actively wish to end?
Would I be allowed into the SNP if I didn't want them to exist?
It's easy to forget that the SNP already have a disproportionate influence on Scotland's domestic politics: they have a majority to run our police, education, NHS, etc on 45% of the vote.
Would I be allowed into the SNP if I didn't want them to exist?
It's easy to forget that the SNP already have a disproportionate influence on Scotland's domestic politics: they have a majority to run our police, education, NHS, etc on 45% of the vote.
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