Why do you hate the SNP?

[Funk]

Bradgate said:

I’m English and I don’t hate the SNP.

In fact, I can completely understand the upsurge in Scottish nationalism. A large proportion of Scots have decided that they have had enough of their country being run from London by English Tories that almost no-one north of the border voted for, and they are determined to change that situation. Devolution has brought some limited self-determination, but they want to fully govern themselves. They want an end to austerity and an egalitarian, social democratic society which works more like Denmark or Sweden, and less like London.

The nats have effective, credible leadership in Salmond and Sturgeon, and despite the result of last year’s referendum, they will probably achieve independence one day. As an English person, I think the break-up of the UK would be a great shame, but I can see why that is what so many Scots want.

Nearly as many people voted Conservative in Scotland as voted SNP. Your premise is flawed.

Austerity isn't something ANYONE wants, but unfortunately it's necessary. Which part of 'there's no money left' are you struggling with?

The other massive irony is that whilst the SNP preach 'progression' they, like Labour, harm those they purport to champion the most by hurting investment by businesses and therefore employment opportunities. They're making the electorate more dependent on the State than ever before and it's a recipe for economic catastrophe.

[simoid]

Bradgate said:

I’m English and I don’t hate the SNP.

In fact, I can completely understand the upsurge in Scottish nationalism. A large proportion of Scots have decided that they have had enough of their country being run from London by English Tories that almost no-one north of the border voted for, and they are determined to change that situation. Devolution has brought some limited self-determination, but they want to fully govern themselves. They want an end to austerity and an egalitarian, social democratic society which works more like Denmark or Sweden, and less like London.

The nats have effective, credible leadership in Salmond and Sturgeon, and despite the result of last year’s referendum, they will probably achieve independence one day. As an English person, I think the break-up of the UK would be a great shame, but I can see why that is what so many Scots want.

That's how the Nats see it I think. Unfortunately they didn't have the wherewithal to make an impossible dream come true as the majority of Scotland didn't believe their lies. As a result, we're left with the nightmare of nationalists thinking they've been cheated out of utopia by nasty Tories and "red Tories".

And CyberNat trolls doing their best to annoy fed up Englishmen on right-leaning car websites

[Bradgate]

Funk said:

Nearly as many people voted Conservative in Scotland as voted SNP. Your premise is flawed.

Austerity isn't something ANYONE wants, but unfortunately it's necessary. Which part of 'there's no money left' are you struggling with?

The other massive irony is that whilst the SNP preach 'progression' they, like Labour, harm those they purport to champion the most by hurting investment by businesses and therefore employment opportunities. They're making the electorate more dependent on the State than ever before and it's a recipe for economic catastrophe.

The current projection is that the SNP will win 55 seats at the election, and the Tories will win 1 seat in Scotland.

[McWigglebum4th]

Bradgate said:

The current projection is that the SNP will win 55 seats at the election, and the Tories will win 1 seat in Scotland.

So that must mean there is 55 more SNP voters in scotland then tory voters

the Tory part had roughly 400,000 votes at last election

So there must be 22million SNP voters in scotland

[Bradgate]

McWigglebum4th said:

So that must mean there is 55 more SNP voters in scotland then tory voters

the Tory part had roughly 400,000 votes at last election

So there must be 22million SNP voters in scotland

And millions of people in England will probably vote for UKIP, but they will still only win, at best, 4 seats on current projections.

Well done for pointing out that FPTP is a ridiculous voting system. I think we had all grasped that point...

[Rude-boy]

I worry about a party which only wants to look after the interests of one part of the Union having a hold over the rest of the Union. In particular one which I do not share the political leanings of and also which has proven itself to be untrustworthy (remember the statements about if we lose the Referendum we will shut up about it) and is more than happy to see everyone else dragged down, just so long as they get what they want.

From a bigger picture POV the Westminster Government being hamstrung by the SNP will also seriously weaken our international standing and credibility. Right now most reasonably intelligent people know that we are not in a great position but we are dealing with our economic issues. Rest of Europe is mostly borrowing from Germany or praying that Greece, Spain or Portugal don't fold as it will flush out just how desperate their true situation is.

[Funk]

Bradgate said:

McWigglebum4th said:

So that must mean there is 55 more SNP voters in scotland then tory voters

the Tory part had roughly 400,000 votes at last election

So there must be 22million SNP voters in scotland

And millions of people in England will probably vote for UKIP, but they will still only win, at best, 4 seats on current projections.

Well done for pointing out that FPTP is a ridiculous voting system. I think we had all grasped that point...

And we have the LIb Dems to thank for it.

[Mojocvh]

That reply to the question from the manifesto launch, that low growl from the audience and the little smirk from Sturgeon says it all.... followed by the usual rhetoric..

[SilverSixer]

Dimski said:

I am Scottish, albeit with a (Scottish) public school posh boy accent

Similar situation here. The worst abuse I've ever withstood is from some obviously very thick Scots, who have branded me, I quote, "Nobbut a fking plastic Jock" merely because I don't speak like I'm from a tower block in ChateauLait. Blue skinned and ginger as the day is long doesn't cut any mustard, nor does sharing a surname with the national poet. These sorts of people are pure poison. Accent is all. Without a Weedgie accent, you're an English . In fairness though, the last football game I went to was the Scotland friendly against Nigeria which was actually played at Fulham football ground - chatted with some very drunk, earthy Weedgie types around me and didn't even get a raised eyebrow - maybe because it was in London and even they might expect some Jocks with weird southern accents there.

However, in the past I'd never been nervous about wearing, say, a kilt to a Scotland football/rugby match in England - but I think twice now and usually don't bother, just in case. Especially if I'm using public transport to get there alone.

[Timmy40]

SilverSixer said:

Dimski said:

I am Scottish, albeit with a (Scottish) public school posh boy accent

Similar situation here. The worst abuse I've ever withstood is from some obviously very thick Scots, who have branded me, I quote, "Nobbut a fking plastic Jock" merely because I don't speak like I'm from a tower block in ChateauLait. Blue skinned and ginger as the day is long doesn't cut any mustard, nor does sharing a surname with the national poet. These sorts of people are pure poison. Accent is all. Without a Weedgie accent, you're an English . In fairness though, the last football game I went to was the Scotland friendly against Nigeria which was actually played at Fulham football ground - chatted with some very drunk, earthy Weedgie types around me and didn't even get a raised eyebrow - maybe because it was in London and even they might expect some Jocks with weird southern accents there.

However, in the past I'd never been nervous about wearing, say, a kilt to a Scotland football/rugby match in England - but I think twice now and usually don't bother, just in case. Especially if I'm using public transport to get there alone.

Same thing in Wales. I was born in Wales, grew up there, my family have been there generations going back, but I don't 'sound' like a Welsh person therefore in the eyes of a Welsh nationalist I clearly can't be Welsh. Equally I don't think whether or not you can speak a reconstructed semi extinct language should define being Welsh either.

Of course those two features can be used to maintain an insular and clique prone public sector.

[MintyScot]

I'm my mind they are parasites carrying a disease known as "Nationalism".

In reality they are just another political party. It just happens to be riding on the back of an economic recession to gain support.

The key is to understand that they don't care about you or I and they certainly don't care anymore about a Scot than an Englishman. They want POWER, plain and simple and are willing to say and do almost anything to get it.

Hence the shower of lies we saw during the referendum and the deliberate stirring of tension, paranoia and bigotry both within Scotland and between Scotland and England.

Edited by MintyScot on Monday 20th April 18:34

[deadslow]

They are just another political party representing the views of a group of people. Their demographic just happens to be cultural/geographical rather than economic. If you don't like them, don't vote for them. That's it.

[Strocky]

Bradgate said:

McWigglebum4th said:

So that must mean there is 55 more SNP voters in scotland then tory voters

the Tory part had roughly 400,000 votes at last election

So there must be 22million SNP voters in scotland

And millions of people in England will probably vote for UKIP, but they will still only win, at best, 4 seats on current projections.

Well done for pointing out that FPTP is a ridiculous voting system. I think we had all grasped that point...

A system that suits the duocracy of Red/Blue Tories, the Tories spiked the Lib Dem AV vote proposal by blatantly lying that it would cost £250m to change from the FPTP system

[bitchstewie]

deadslow said:

They are just another political party representing the views of a group of people. Their demographic just happens to be cultural/geographical rather than economic. If you don't like them, don't vote for them. That's it.

Which is fine, except being from England I can't vote for them but may be stuck in 30 days where they are the key to anything that needs to pass through the Commons.

[Cheese Mechanic]

Strocky said:

A system that suits the duocracy of Red/Blue Tories, the Tories spiked the Lib Dem AV vote proposal by blatantly lying that it would cost £250m to change from the FPTP system

Never come across that allegation before, but having said that, was that reason enough for the LD's to vote for a gerrymandered Parliament? Because that is exactly what we will have if Miligoon gets control of more than his toothbrush.

The boundaries are a disgrace, Milligoon's bias in favour is akin to a Question Time audience. Banana republic elction.

[deadslow]

bhstewie said:

deadslow said:

They are just another political party representing the views of a group of people. Their demographic just happens to be cultural/geographical rather than economic. If you don't like them, don't vote for them. That's it.

Which is fine, except being from England I can't vote for them but may be stuck in 30 days where they are the key to anything that needs to pass through the Commons.

Only if Labour 'nearly' win, and the LibDems are destroyed. By no means certain for either.

This type of situation seems likely to be a permanent feature of Uk politics now that no party can appear to be able to win a majority (the Tories haven't managed to win an election for 23 years, and Labour are a joke). A bit of horse-trading will be the order of the day, and not necessarily a bad thing.

[bitchstewie]

deadslow said:

bhstewie said:

deadslow said:

They are just another political party representing the views of a group of people. Their demographic just happens to be cultural/geographical rather than economic. If you don't like them, don't vote for them. That's it.

Which is fine, except being from England I can't vote for them but may be stuck in 30 days where they are the key to anything that needs to pass through the Commons.

Only if Labour 'nearly' win, and the LibDems are destroyed. By no means certain for either.

This type of situation seems likely to be a permanent feature of Uk politics now that no party can appear to be able to win a majority (the Tories haven't managed to win an election for 23 years, and Labour are a joke). A bit of horse-trading will be the order of the day, and not necessarily a bad thing.

Not a given but the amount of media time the woman is getting is fking ridiculous - and there's quite a key point there if you're south of the border - can anyone name a single SNP MP or anyone other than Sturgeon given that she is the party leader so will be calling the shots in the event of any deal even though she isn't even an MP?

I actually do agree a little with the idea that our political parties being forced to work for a common good isn't a bad idea.

Unfortunately SNP policy seems to be "Look after Scotland", fair enough, you get who you vote for, but for those of us south of the border "fk the tories" seems to be their only aim.

[deadslow]

bhstewie said:

Unfortunately SNP policy seems to be "Look after Scotland", fair enough, you get who you vote for, but for those of us south of the border "fk the tories" seems to be their only aim.

Yes, but fk The Tories is the aim of every party except the tories. The SNP are far from unique in this aim.

[bitchstewie]

deadslow said:

Yes, but fk The Tories is the aim of every party except the tories. The SNP are far from unique in this aim.

Oh of course, and it might just be the fact that Sturgeon essentially went on prime time TV and said as much, but frankly the SNP scare me simply because I actually don't think they give a fk about anyone or anything, English or Scottish, unless it fits their own narrow agenda.

And again, someone totally unelected in Westminster could essentially be playing kingmaker on matters affecting the entire UK - that is dangerous plain and simple.

[McWigglebum4th]

bhstewie said:

Not a given but the amount of media time the woman is getting is fking ridiculous - and there's quite a key point there if you're south of the border - can anyone name a single SNP MP or anyone other than Sturgeon given that she is the party leader so will be calling the shots in the event of any deal even though she isn't even an MP?

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They are lovely people who welcome others with open arms

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