Why do you hate the SNP?

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deadslow

7,962 posts

222 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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bhstewie said:
deadslow said:
Yes, but fk The Tories is the aim of every party except the tories. The SNP are far from unique in this aim.
Oh of course, and it might just be the fact that Sturgeon essentially went on prime time TV and said as much, but frankly the SNP scare me simply because I actually don't think they give a fk about anyone or anything, English or Scottish, unless it fits their own narrow agenda.

And again, someone totally unelected in Westminster could essentially be playing kingmaker on matters affecting the entire UK - that is dangerous plain and simple.
You could say exactly the same about Farage whose one trick pony is dictating Tory foreign policy.

bitchstewie

50,790 posts

209 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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deadslow said:
You could say exactly the same about Farage whose one trick pony is dictating Tory foreign policy.
I agree entirely, but at least he is running to be an MP and has said he'll stand down as party leader if he isn't elected.

technodup

7,576 posts

129 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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bhstewie said:
And again, someone totally unelected in Westminster could essentially be playing kingmaker on matters affecting the entire UK - that is dangerous plain and simple.
That's Salmond's cue to slither back in and start throwing his weight around if he gets elected in Gordon. He'll still be dangerous but accountable.

We (UK) are about to get spitroasted from both ends. Unless people vote Tory en masse and shut this nightmare down.

That said then we (Scotland) will get shafted for another referendum 'because evil Tories' bla bla. How the fk did it get to this? Forever on 30odd% and calling all the shots?

I despise the rancid wee cow.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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bhstewie said:
deadslow said:
bhstewie said:
deadslow said:
They are just another political party representing the views of a group of people. Their demographic just happens to be cultural/geographical rather than economic. If you don't like them, don't vote for them. That's it.
Which is fine, except being from England I can't vote for them but may be stuck in 30 days where they are the key to anything that needs to pass through the Commons.
Only if Labour 'nearly' win, and the LibDems are destroyed. By no means certain for either.

This type of situation seems likely to be a permanent feature of Uk politics now that no party can appear to be able to win a majority (the Tories haven't managed to win an election for 23 years, and Labour are a joke). A bit of horse-trading will be the order of the day, and not necessarily a bad thing.
Not a given but the amount of media time the woman is getting is fking ridiculous - and there's quite a key point there if you're south of the border - can anyone name a single SNP MP or anyone other than Sturgeon given that she is the party leader so will be calling the shots in the event of any deal even though she isn't even an MP?

I actually do agree a little with the idea that our political parties being forced to work for a common good isn't a bad idea.

Unfortunately SNP policy seems to be "Look after Scotland", fair enough, you get who you vote for, but for those of us south of the border "fk the tories" seems to be their only aim.
That certainly does seem to be their aim. Sturgeon has confirmed that today by categorically rejecting the conservative proposal to make sure other countries don't lose out through Scottish devolution. The only thing she cares about is Scotland (regardless of the fact that she will do nothing but damage) and only the totally demented could want her having any influence anywhere else.

Strocky

2,630 posts

112 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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Cheese Mechanic said:
Strocky said:
A system that suits the duocracy of Red/Blue Tories, the Tories spiked the Lib Dem AV vote proposal by blatantly lying that it would cost £250m to change from the FPTP system
Never come across that allegation before, but having said that, was that reason enough for the LD's to vote for a gerrymandered Parliament? Because that is exactly what we will have if Miligoon gets control of more than his toothbrush.

The boundaries are a disgrace, Milligoon's bias in favour is akin to a Question Time audience. Banana republic elction.
Not as much an allegation as a mea culpa by David Blunkett

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/201...

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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Telling porkies and using made up figures, eh?

He aught to have joined the Yes campaign in the indy ref.

lockhart flawse

2,040 posts

234 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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It's the constant drone about how much "fairer" life in Scotland will be once they've managed to unhitch it from the rest of the UK. The idea that Scots are inherently more enlightened than the English and the things they could do if only they weren't stuck with the rest of us. And an end to austerity.....what a laugh.

Complete bks and the thging that really surprises me is how many people have fallen for the idea that you can just stop austerity. They've stopped using the Greeks as an example anyway and we don't seem to hear quite so much about oil any more.

NicD

3,281 posts

256 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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but if they detach the English cash cow, that leaves only the EU.

Talksteer

4,843 posts

232 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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Bradgate said:
McWigglebum4th said:
So that must mean there is 55 more SNP voters in scotland then tory voters

the Tory part had roughly 400,000 votes at last election

So there must be 22million SNP voters in scotland
And millions of people in England will probably vote for UKIP, but they will still only win, at best, 4 seats on current projections.

Well done for pointing out that FPTP is a ridiculous voting system. I think we had all grasped that point...

No first past the post is brilliant....

We live in a representative democracy the first past the post system normally provides a winner to take over executive control.

If you look at some more proportional systems you can often end up with some pretty poor policy flowing from coalition agreements which end up including relatively radical small parties.

Examples include Germany closing down its nuclear plants (greens) and Israel inability to negotiate with the Palestinians because the ruling coalition usually includes religious or west bank settler parties.

mikal83

5,340 posts

251 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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Yeh, Germany has been right down the stter the last few years eh!

Timmy40

12,915 posts

197 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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Talksteer said:
If you look at some more proportional systems you can often end up with some pretty poor policy flowing from coalition agreements which end up including relatively radical small parties.
Whereas on May the 8th it will be totally different in the UK thanks to first past the post???

arp1

583 posts

126 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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'Mon the Snp to shake up UK politics! If a handful are striking fear within the establishment at the moment, just think what the possibilities may be with a whole lot (potentially) more!

McWigglebum4th

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32,414 posts

203 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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arp1 said:
'Mon the Snp to shake up UK politics! If a handful are striking fear within the establishment at the moment, just think what the possibilities may be with a whole lot (potentially) more!
BUT


You always give the impression you belive that people hate the SNP purely because they are scottish as any thread mentioning the SNP you are the first to bang on about the english shaking in fear at the scottish MPs suddenly having power


Are you now changing your tune?



Oh

And any chance of some financial advice

I earn £40K a year but i spend £45K a year

Do you think i should buy a brand new car and increase my outgoings to £50K?


arp1

583 posts

126 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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You really do have inferiority issues... Either that, or delusions or grandure, I can't quite decide which... Either way, you really do have a screw loose.

blinkythefish

972 posts

256 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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arp1 said:
'Mon the Snp to shake up UK politics! If a handful are striking fear within the establishment at the moment, just think what the possibilities may be with a whole lot (potentially) more!
Giving a chimpanzee a machine gun would strike fear in me. The SNP are the political equivalent.

Timmy40

12,915 posts

197 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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NicD said:
but if they detach the English cash cow, that leaves only the EU.
Who have made it quite clear that they already have enough hangers on to pay for.

Btw I am wondering post May 7th would a labour SNP Government be so bad? They'd jettison Scotland, mis-manage the economy horribly but only for one term, be booted out by the English at the next election and rUK would never elect a Labour Govt again. Might be worth getting shot of Wales at the same time.

Edited by Timmy40 on Tuesday 21st April 11:55

jonby

5,357 posts

156 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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Has anyone spotted this

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/FinancialScrutin...

I was previously completely unaware

Essentially, from April next year when the new tax year start, Scottish people will have all rates of income tax reduced by 10% compared to the rest of the UK, so regardless of what UK taxes are, Scottish ones will be 10p (10%) lower

However Scotland then imposes a levy, which can be 10p to keep overall rates the same, or as little as zero, or an uncapped high, one assumes with Scotland keeping all (any) of the levy

This means the same party (SNP) if holding the balance of power, can vote on UK tax rates then amend them as they wish for Scottish Nationals - it's a licence for them to create havoc

Also, lower down the fact sheet in my link, it states more than 1 in 7 (13.4%) of those in Scotland who are additional rate tax payers (i.e. earning over £150k per year) are health professionals.......




bitchstewie

50,790 posts

209 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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They're just trying to create a fairer society Jonby.

NoNeed

15,137 posts

199 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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McWigglebum4th

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32,414 posts

203 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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Is it posible to read the phrase




In the world


Without clarksons voice running in your head