Maybe The Last Nazi War Criminal to go On Trial

Maybe The Last Nazi War Criminal to go On Trial

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Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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Digga said:
Grumfutock said:
A great shame you aren't so vocal regarding Bosnia or Rwanda...
No idea how on earth do you made the gigantic leap to that conclusion.





Oh no wait, I do.
Oh I must of missed your petition to bring those responsible to book? PLEASE!!!

I have no intention of having or being lured into a pathetic internet argument with you so I will leave this here but kindly reframe from the moral out rage! By your reasoning all Germans are guilty!

Edited by Grumfutock on Tuesday 21st April 15:02

Hooli

32,278 posts

199 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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speedy_thrills said:
Hooli said:
What he did obviously wasn't nice, but he hardly had any choice did he?
"The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him." - Nuremberg Principle IV.

Damned if you did, damned if you didn't. I suspect his defence could swing on what "moral choice" meant at the time.
I think there must be a point that defence doesn't apply, if his own choice was to refuse & join them in the gas chambers then it's no choice really.

dfen5

2,397 posts

211 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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"He could face 15 years in jail".

He's 93.


vournikas

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11,683 posts

203 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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dudleybloke said:
The real outrage is the true architects of the Holocaust never saw trial and led ordinary lives after the war.
I quite agree.

It could be said that some of the "key" decision makers in the whole atrocity did face justice (Heydrich was blown up, Himmler committed suicide, Eichmann was found and hanged as was Rudolf Höss) of course. It doesn't remove the fact that thousands of SS and NSDP members who were directly complicit in the atrocity either never stood trial, or received laughable sentences.

A fact that wasn't lost on members of Nakam : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakam

dudleybloke

19,718 posts

185 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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Compare this to the case of the African genocidal murderer who lives scot free in Coventry getting paid off a charity who openly admits killing over 200 people with his own hands.
He won't face justice and is even being rewarded for his murderous antics.


jonby

5,357 posts

156 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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Dan_1981 said:
Grumfutock said:
Dan_1981 said:
He was only there for two months too - May & June in 1944.


What do people think he should have done?

I don't think there is anything to be gained from prosecuting him.
Not sure where you get that from? He was went to Auschwitz in 1942 and served there until 1944 when he transferred to a combat unit.
BBC Report:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32392594

"Mr Groening served at Auschwitz between May and June 1944"
in the articles in these papers, it's clear he was there for several years

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/1...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3048472/St...


It's also clear that he knew whilst there that many jews were being murdered

He also admits to being responsible for inspecting the items removed from jews before their death

He suggests he had no choice in his duties or even being there. There is no doubt that his choice was a frightening one. There is equally no doubt that he had sufficient knowledge of sufficient atrocities that most decent people would like to think they would not have stayed a part of it. What we will never know thankfully, is what it's like to be put in that position and have that decision to make

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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dfen5 said:
"He could face 15 years in jail".

He's 93.
He had best carry on living then, hadn't he? hehe

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

133 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Digga said:
hether he did that personally, or simply was there overseeing the collection of possessions is moot. We all know that, in most cases, prisoners were going from the trains directly to their deaths in the gas chambers and no one in any position in that camp would be in any doubt about the processing.

I really don't care what you think - I know my own mind and I happen to agree with what is happening in regard to the trial.
Go find the PEGIDA thread if you want to know more about Grum's sympathies with "proper" Germans.

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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dudleybloke said:
Compare this to the case of the African genocidal murderer who lives scot free in Coventry getting paid off a charity who openly admits killing over 200 people with his own hands.
He won't face justice and is even being rewarded for his murderous antics.
Agreed.

As I've said on NP&E numerous occasions (usually in relation to UKIP), the open borders policy makes a mockery of the (noble and correct) process of granting asylum. How anyone thinks it is right or fair to grant asylum to people from a war torn or barbaric nation whilst, at the same time, allowing all the bds, butchers, warlords and gangsters to travel over here too is beyond me.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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“A former Nazi SS guard dubbed the “Bookkeeper of Auschwitz” has died aged 96 without ever having served his sentence for being an accessory to murder, German media said on Monday. Oskar Gröning was among the last former Nazis to face trial for their roles in the second world war, more than 70 years after the conflict, thanks to a landmark case allowing prosecution for aiding and abetting the German extermination programme.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/12/book...