Benefits of being in/out of the EU?

[Funkycoldribena]

BGARK said:

I have not seen anyone here explain the benefits of remaining in the EU as yet, or did I miss that post?

Nope. But it's still worth 55 mil a day.Maybe Mr T etc would like to contribute some more personally seeing its such good value.

[BGARK]

ATG said:

Numerous ones have been given. Perhaps you'd explain why you're dismissing them?

Lots of words mean nothing, the numbers clearly show their is a net loss to the UK by being a member. going over details like "woo we have a fluffy agreement about x" means jack, business is done between businesses not governments. They are supposed to be a tool to support business not the other way around!

You could eliminate the entire EU and every government around Europe, most people in real jobs would still survive.

[BGARK]

By the way my main reason for wanting out is sovereignty and control, not trade.

[johnxjsc1985]

BGARK said:

By the way my main reason for wanting out is sovereignty and control, not trade.

me too I think the trade will take care of itself, The world has changed so much in the last 40 years the EU doesnt have the control it used to have.China/India and the USA will gladly trade with us and so will the EU.

[Murph7355]

Bluebarge said:

But if you didn't have EU legislation on those points, you would have UK legislation... .

This may be true, but there would be one very, very fundamental difference.

If our legislators do too much the people of the country don't like, they can be voted out by the people of the country.

This, to me, is the main issue.

As a trading arrangement the EU may be a half sensible idea. But it has overstepped the mark by a million miles.

[Bluebarge]

Murph7355 said:

Bluebarge said:

But if you didn't have EU legislation on those points, you would have UK legislation... .

This may be true, but there would be one very, very fundamental difference.

If our legislators do too much the people of the country don't like, they can be voted out by the people of the country.

This, to me, is the main issue.

As a trading arrangement the EU may be a half sensible idea. But it has overstepped the mark by a million miles.

If you actually look at how EU legislation is implemented into UK law, it is usually added to and made more complex by UK legislators, to the extent that the UK version of the EU legislation is usually far more onerous than the EU requires, and the versions implemented in other EU countries. I therefore do not share your optimism that going it alone will result in simpler legislation. There is a long-standing culture of interference and over-complication in Whitehall that UK politicians of any party have never got to grips with.

[Bluebarge]

And another thing
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11566...

[London424]

I think this is my favorite EU regulation that has come in recently.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/agriculture/...

[wc98]

Bluebarge said:

If you actually look at how EU legislation is implemented into UK law, it is usually added to and made more complex by UK legislators, to the extent that the UK version of the EU legislation is usually far more onerous than the EU requires, and the versions implemented in other EU countries. I therefore do not share your optimism that going it alone will result in simpler legislation. There is a long-standing culture of interference and over-complication in Whitehall that UK politicians of any party have never got to grips with.

i have to agree with this ,we have a piss poor track record of gold plating every bit of legislation that comes from brussels while out european counterparts nod in agreement and carry on as before. this is why government needs to be much,much smaller, ukip are the only party interested in making government smaller and more accountable.

[ATG]

"I don't like the EU and I'll backfill that opinion with whatever justification I can dream up or regurgitate without making any effort to sit back and think about it dispassionately. " Sadly that seems to sum up the way a lot of people approach this discussion.

[Jinx]

ATG said:

"I don't like the EU and I'll backfill that opinion with whatever justification I can dream up or regurgitate without making any effort to sit back and think about it dispassionately. " Sadly that seems to sum up the way a lot of people approach this discussion.

It is called rationalisation - it effects all people within the entire political spectrum. Frequently in life the feeling comes first with rationalisations forming afterward. The concept of developing an opinion based on evidence before the opinion is formed rarely occurs in real people, whilst conflicting evidence may change an already held opinion, the "no-opinion" primary state doesn't exist (parental influences are frequently the default opinion) .
How people are governed (or if indeed they should be) is a subject that should involve passion - apathy is the friend of tyrants.

[Mrr T]

London424 said:

I think this is my favorite EU regulation that has come in recently.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/agriculture/...

Yes except the story is complete and utter rubbish.

Check Richard North on eureferendum.com.

[Legend83]

BBC said:

In a boost for David Cameron and the Conservatives, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has told the BBC he is open to minor changes to the EU’s founding treaties to obtain a fair deal for Britain and Europe.

Major treaty changes on things like freedom of movement aren’t possible, though. Speaking to the BBC’s Europe Editor Katya Adler, Mr Juncker said he’d been perfectly clear on these issues since before his appointment but that unfortunately "the British government and the British press are not listening, and are blind when others are speaking".

The words of a wannabe-dictator in the making?

[steveT350C]

Mrr T said:

London424 said:

I think this is my favorite EU regulation that has come in recently.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/agriculture/...

Yes except the story is complete and utter rubbish.

Check Richard North on eureferendum.com.

Thanks Mrr T, link here http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=8...

I am no fan of the EU but that homeopathy article did smell a bit 'dungy'

[London424]

steveT350C said:

Mrr T said:

London424 said:

I think this is my favorite EU regulation that has come in recently.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/agriculture/...

Yes except the story is complete and utter rubbish.

Check Richard North on eureferendum.com.

Thanks Mrr T, link here http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=8...

I am no fan of the EU but that homeopathy article did smell a bit 'dungy'

Damn...I thought it was hilarious. How do stories get printed in major publications not get checked at all?

[steveT350C]

London424 said:

steveT350C said:

Mrr T said:

London424 said:

I think this is my favorite EU regulation that has come in recently.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/agriculture/...

Yes except the story is complete and utter rubbish.

Check Richard North on eureferendum.com.

Thanks Mrr T, link here http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=8...

I am no fan of the EU but that homeopathy article did smell a bit 'dungy'

Damn...I thought it was hilarious. How do stories get printed in major publications not get checked at all?

Quality of MSM journalism has plummeted IMHO

[BGARK]

Funkycoldribena said:

Nope. But it's still worth 55 mil a day.Maybe Mr T etc would like to contribute some more personally seeing its such good value.

So paying 55m day and getting 16m back is a good deal... mmm