Another grooming gang

[TTwiggy]

iphonedyou said:

So when the race is mentioned on the forum, there's an outrage, and when it's not mentioned the outraged folk bring it up anyway.

Odd.

I made no reference to race, I mentioned religion. Islam is not a race, remember?

Much of the posting on the 'other' abuse threads concerned 'experts' on Islam explaining how their religion allows these people to justify their actions - with added bonus points for pointing out that the prophet married an 11-year-old.

So no, not odd at all.

[TKF]

It would be nice if moderate white folk came out and condemned this. Their silence can only mean one thing.

[Chlamydia]

As I remember the other thread it was about multiple gangs, nobody from the community willing to come forward, accusations of racism, and prolonged police/social services inaction because of the perceived racism angle. In this case it seems that the investigation was started immediately and the communities, (as they were from several areas), were tripping over themselves to help - which is as it should be. This case is an example of how it should be done, the others were examples of how it shouldn't.

As for rehabilitation/punishment hasn't it already been adequately shown that the people who get involved in these horrendous crimes are more likely to do so again? I'd not support the death penalty as has been said that leaves open the way for miscarriages of justice, so maybe have them chemically castrated as that could be reversed if anyone was subsequently found to be innocent. Does chemical castration work?

[Oakey]

TKF said:

It would be nice if moderate white folk came out and condemned this. Their silence can only mean one thing.

What, like this sort of thing?

https://www.facebook.com/stinsonhunterofficial

Some 550k followers who treat him like a hero.

[don4l]

TTwiggy said:

iphonedyou said:

So when the race is mentioned on the forum, there's an outrage, and when it's not mentioned the outraged folk bring it up anyway.

Odd.

I made no reference to race, I mentioned religion. Islam is not a race, remember?

Much of the posting on the 'other' abuse threads concerned 'experts' on Islam explaining how their religion allows these people to justify their actions - with added bonus points for pointing out that the prophet married an 11-year-old.

So no, not odd at all.

You seem intent on drawing a link between this case and the abuse of children in Rotheram, Milton Keynes, Manchester, High Wycombe, Oxford and many other towns.

Why?

[TTwiggy]

don4l said:

You seem intent on drawing a link between this case and the abuse of children in Rotheram, Milton Keynes, Manchester, High Wycombe, Oxford and many other towns.

Why?

No. I really don't. It might suit you to think that, but you'd be wrong. I simply stated - in reply to someone else - that if Islam were connected to this case, the post count would have been much higher.

[Oakey]

Not really though, eh?

There are plenty of threads about white perverts that run into the tens or hundreds of pages.

[TTwiggy]

Oakey said:

Not really though, eh?

There are plenty of threads about white perverts that run into the tens or hundreds of pages.

Famous ones, yes.

[johnxjsc1985]

I know white people commit terrible crimes just look at the Catholic Church for instnace..like how long have you got.
But with the Muslim gangs that appear in the media the situation is somewhat distorted because there seems to be a media blackout until the Court case finds them guilty.
The ordinary bloke takes some stick but in my experience they are more than happy to give people the benefit of the doubt.
Those with piss in their blood need to calm down this Country is filled with good people its the Politicians and Media who need sorting out.

[carinaman]

johnxjsc1985 said:

But with the Muslim gangs that appear in the media the situation is somewhat distorted because there seems to be a media blackout until the Court case finds them guilty.

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/girls-suffered-counc...

It mentions attempts to play down the sexual abuse against kids due to 'ethinic' sensitivities.

It mentions the Council in Rotherham taking out injunctions in an attempt to stop The Times reporting on it.

It mentions 2010 and the article was written in 2014. So how many kids were sexually exploited over that period?

The Common Purpose, PC brigade don't care as it's not their children getting raped, just as it's not their money trying to keep a lid on it.

The decisions and actions of the Council and Police in Rotherham created victims.

Edited by carinaman on Friday 24th April 00:27

[DeanR32]

carinaman said:

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/girls-suffered-counc...

It mentions attempts to play down the sexual abuse against kids due to 'ethinic' sensitivities.

It mentions the Council in Rotherham taking out injunctions in an attempt to stop The Times reporting on it.

It mentions 2010 and the article was written in 2014. So how many kids were sexually exploited over that period?

The Common Purpose, PC brigade don't care as it's not their children getting raped, just as it's not their money trying to keep a lid on it.

The decisions and actions of the Council and Police in Rotherham created victims.

Edited by carinaman on Friday 24th April 00:27

I don't disagree with any of this.

What's the difference between a Pakistani rapist and an Anglo Saxon one?

In the case of Rotherham and the associated areas, the cover up did subsequently lead to more victims, and everyone involved should be held accountable, but do you think if there was no cover up, and the police and authorities acted swiftly as they could, that there wouldn't have been a backlash from the indigenous population at all?

I agree that covering it up must have made it worse, but in past threads I've seen on here, there's the usual hatred towards Muslims regardless of the seriousness of the topic.

Who remembers the M&S Muslim checkout girl who refused to handle pork and alcohol? Pathetic as she was, that thread didn't half send PH off the Richter scale. People who don't ever pop onto N,P&E jumping on there talking of throwing bacon at her!

Some people just can't see past the colour or religion of these people and take the individual as the they are for commiting these crimes

[Digga]

TKF said:

It would be nice if moderate white folk came out and condemned this. Their silence can only mean one thing.

As I said just one page back, the outrage WRT to Rochdale etc. was not merely the abuse, but the (now well documented) systemic malfunctions which quashed investigation and seemingly also harboured offenders in certain instances.

The abuse, in itself, is abhorrent whoever commits it. Do you understand?

[blindswelledrat]

Digga said:

TKF said:

It would be nice if moderate white folk came out and condemned this. Their silence can only mean one thing.

As I said just one page back, the outrage WRT to Rochdale etc. was not merely the abuse, but the (now well documented) systemic malfunctions which quashed investigation and seemingly also harboured offenders in certain instances.

The abuse, in itself, is abhorrent whoever commits it. Do you understand?

You can defend it all you like, but of the 500 pages of that thread about 2 were moaning about the council's incompetence and cowardice, and the other 498 were dedicated to blaming every muslim, the entire muslim community and the immigration system.
Your attempts to try and differentiate it from this incident by pretending that thread was all about the council is frankly childish and so transparent that even a tiny baby would see it for what it is.

[Digga]

BSW, thank you for the ad hom - I hope it has helped you with your issues.

You will find, long, long before NP&E got its teeth into the matter of Muslim grooming gangs, long before the internet was even in existence, Sikh leaders identified their teenage girls were being preyed upon by Muslim gangs pretending to be Sikh - taking Sikh names, wearing Sikh jewelry etc. - and they decided to act upon this and educate and protect their own children. Would you call them racists too I wonder?

I cannot see anyone saying this latest grooming gang is 'okay'. I realise, from looking at the offenders and reading into the case, they may have fooled a great many people, even those very close to them and that, in a similar way, expecting the Muslim community top be any more vigilant and effective in detecting and rooting out abusers is hypocrisy, but to return to 'that' thread, the numbers involved are significantly greater (and counting). It is no wonder, given all all of the factors surrounding that case that it drew so much attention.

[blindswelledrat]

We just see it differently Digga.

Personally, I think raping babies and toddlers is much much worse than grooming teenagers.
You think grooming teenagers warrants 100 times the PH interest of the baby rapers because something something a few more of them something something council incompetence something something. Obviously nothing to do with them being brown. Just the council. And the number of them. Not brown.

[Digga]

blindswelledrat said:

Personally, I think raping babies and toddlers is much much worse than grooming teenagers.

This I understand the comment. One could argue that teenagers are fully sentient - perhaps more aware of the violation than toddlers, but really we're arguing about what's worse; murder by stabbing or bludgeoning. In my book, I'd prefer just to stick them into the category (I'd rather not spend too much time dwelling on) which is inhuman and wrong on any and every level.

[blindswelledrat]

Unless they're brown, right? And then it's important that they get put into the muslim category so you can blame other muslims, yes?

[andymadmak]

Erudite geezer said:

Another 'monster gang' grooming the vulnerable, the underaged, for kiddly-fiddly activities. You can guess their ethnicities from their name:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32413508

Its the same mob mentioned in the OP

[andymadmak]

eddharris said:

These muzzies are getting paler by the day.

Fck me, the level of hypocrisy is astounding.
Everyone has now turned all fking pious and mahatma like.
It was the police and authorities we were all actually mad at guvna.

wind your neck back in. At no point in ANY thread has ANYONE claimed that ONLY Muslims are involved in this kind of offence.

[andymadmak]

TKF said:

It would be nice if moderate white folk came out and condemned this. Their silence can only mean one thing.

I'll happily come out and condemn this behaviour without reservation. Furthermore I'll say this: If there is ANY evidence that there are more gangs of this type, operating in this way, then I would want to see a thorough investigation and analysis of what is driving these people to get together and behave in this way. If there is a pattern to be found we must find it. If there are cultural, religious or other reasons we must not shy away from facing the unpalatable truths that may emerge and we MUST act accordingly to deal with the issues.
The main priority must be in helping historic victims, identifying current victims and halting their suffering and identifying the best ways to prevent more victims in the future.