Another grooming gang
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blindswelledrat said:
Unless they're brown, right? And then it's important that they get put into the muslim category so you can blame other muslims, yes?
Wow. Just wow. Cos it's all about you and yours innit bro?Change the record BSR, we all know that you don't like the debates about whether Muslim attitudes to non Muslim women and girls factor in the higher than average incidence of Muslims being perpetrators of these kinds of crimes, but really the facts speak for themselves.
Those facts, yeah? Embrace them, deal with them, use them to find ways protect victims and help move society along. Or carry on finding ways to complain about the fact that Muslims are found guilty of this stuff in far greater numbers than they should be given their % of the population and then try to insinuate it's cos the victims asked for it and the cops are really racist. Your call.
blindswelledrat said:
Unless they're brown, right? And then it's important that they get put into the muslim category so you can blame other muslims, yes?
Barking up the wrong tree there mate.FWIW, one of the things about the other grooming cases which upset me the most was the oblique references to ethnicity which, approximately, evolved along the lines of; at first none, then "Asian", then .... etc. etc. it was this sort of thing which IMHO was ridiculous and unhelpful, not least because it needlessly put 'any' Asian under the spotlight for what were crimes that, at the time, public feelings were running high.
As any educated person knows, Pakistan is a very big place - there may well be very backward areas as well as many very developed and advanced areas. Clearly this had some impact into origins. However, there is no doubt that the religion of Islam does include those who have a disgustingly low opinion of the female sex, their rights, abilities and freedoms. It is not racism or religious hatred to point this fact out or consider whether or how it may have been contributory.
This present grooming gang may yet yield information on certain commonalities that can further aid identification of future gangs. If this helps detection and or prevention of these crimes then surely that too is worthy of consideration?
andymadmak said:
wind your neck back in. At no point in ANY thread has ANYONE claimed that ONLY Muslims are involved in this kind of offence.
Fck off Andy, wind your own neck back in. Go back and read some of the bile that is rolled out on some of these threads (including a s
tload of narrow minded crap from you. It's in black and white).Putting words in capitals doesn't change anything. Of course no one has quite literally said that about muslims but you'd have to be a retard if you were't able to read between the lines in those threads.
Scum is scum, regardless of their nationality, hue or the number of victims. I'm not going to go soft and back pedal some s
t just because the perpetrators in this particular case are the same colour or nationality as me.BSR has nailed it. This thread is going slower than an 80's Lada but I'd bet my house on the fact it would have reached double digits on day one if the scum were ROP followers.
eddharris said:
Scum is scum, regardless of their nationality, hue or the number of victims. I'm not going to go soft and back pedal some st just because the perpetrators in this particular case are the same colour or nationality as me.
Agreed.t just because the perpetrators in this particular case are the same colour or nationality as me.eddharris said:
BSR has nailed it. This thread is going slower than an 80's Lada but I'd bet my house on the fact it would have reached double digits on day one if the scum were ROP followers.
Over 30 pages on this one already: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...However, on rational reflection, it was not just ethnicity or religion which sparked the outrage, it was the number of gangs and individuals - cases still ongoing do not forget - the reaction of the authorities to warnings and also the way authorities, deliberately in some individuals cases, helped cover up these activities. Let's not forget the whole Labour council resigned in Rotherham alone as a result. This was (and is) a massive news story.
Digga said:
eddharris said:
Scum is scum, regardless of their nationality, hue or the number of victims. I'm not going to go soft and back pedal some st just because the perpetrators in this particular case are the same colour or nationality as me.
Agreed.t just because the perpetrators in this particular case are the same colour or nationality as me.eddharris said:
BSR has nailed it. This thread is going slower than an 80's Lada but I'd bet my house on the fact it would have reached double digits on day one if the scum were ROP followers.
Over 30 pages on this one already: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...However, on rational reflection, it was not just ethnicity or religion which sparked the outrage, it was the number of gangs and individuals - cases still ongoing do not forget - the reaction of the authorities to warnings and also the way authorities, deliberately in some individuals cases, helped cover up these activities. Let's not forget the whole Labour council resigned in Rotherham alone as a result. This was (and is) a massive news story.
The threads involving Muslim gangs may have evolved into discussions around the issues of coverups and incompetence, but what can't be denied is that in each case the initial traffic was driven by posters falling over themselves to give their expert insight into how Islam condones this behaviour etc etc etc (with plenty of 'send em home' stuff from some posters who didn't seem very keen on a debate).
Sadly, anyone looking for a correlation in these cases has to face the uncomfortable truth that the only major link between the abusers is the Y chromosone.
eddharris said:
This thread is going slower than an 80's Lada but I'd bet my house on the fact it would have reached double digits on day one if the scum were ROP followers.
What more is there to say about it?It's a bunch of nonces who like to abuse babies and toddlers who are already so outcast they have to search each other out on the internet, hence why the seven in the OP are from all over the UK. Nobody is going to attempt to justify or excuse their behaviour and they're already looked down upon as the worst of the worst so what's left to say?
If it was a group of seven mates from the same area and it was endemic in scores of towns across the UK and hundreds and thousands of children were being abused whilst it was being ignored by the authorities then people might rightfully think there was a problem.
Oakey said:
What more is there to say about it?
It's a bunch of nonces who like to abuse babies and toddlers who are already so outcast they have to search each other out on the internet, hence why the seven in the OP are from all over the UK. Nobody is going to attempt to justify or excuse their behaviour and they're already looked down upon as the worst of the worst so what's left to say?
If it was a group of seven mates from the same area and it was endemic in scores of towns across the UK and hundreds and thousands of children were being abused whilst it was being ignored by the authorities then people might rightfully think there was a problem.
Agree entirely with that, or certainly the premise. I just wish the scolding of darker skinned fckwits would stay on topic and not resort to nuking 'cubes' and sinking community ships in the middle of the Atlantic. Unless only the scumbags directly involved were in that cube or on that ship.It's a bunch of nonces who like to abuse babies and toddlers who are already so outcast they have to search each other out on the internet, hence why the seven in the OP are from all over the UK. Nobody is going to attempt to justify or excuse their behaviour and they're already looked down upon as the worst of the worst so what's left to say?
If it was a group of seven mates from the same area and it was endemic in scores of towns across the UK and hundreds and thousands of children were being abused whilst it was being ignored by the authorities then people might rightfully think there was a problem.
TKF said:
It would be nice if moderate white folk came out and condemned this. Their silence can only mean one thing.
I can do better than condemn it, they're a bunch of utter s and should have their balls cut off. The same goes for the muslim gangs, a paedo
is a whatever the colour of their skin.
blindswelledrat said:
Just to get my head around this post - are you saying that it is perfectly rational to debate the same crime by an Asian many times more than a white person, or are you being sarcastic?
TTwiggy has it nailed. Sexual abuse is a male issue.
eddharris said:
andymadmak said:
wind your neck back in. At no point in ANY thread has ANYONE claimed that ONLY Muslims are involved in this kind of offence.
Fck off Andy, wind your own neck back in. Go back and read some of the bile that is rolled out on some of these threads (including a stload of narrow minded crap from you. It's in black and white).Putting words in capitals doesn't change anything. Of course no one has quite literally said that about muslims but you'd have to be a retard if you were't able to read between the lines in those threads.
Scum is scum, regardless of their nationality, hue or the number of victims. I'm not going to go soft and back pedal some s
t just because the perpetrators in this particular case are the same colour or nationality as me.BSR has nailed it. This thread is going slower than an 80's Lada but I'd bet my house on the fact it would have reached double digits on day one if the scum were ROP followers.
But hey look, it's the weekend and you won't want to. So to save you the trouble of having to make up some sort of w
k excuse I'll make it easy for you and say that you won't find what you're saying is there. In case you're struggling, that means that no one has claimed that only Muslims commit these crimes. If you can prove me wrong on that then I will happily donate £100 to the victim charity of your choiceandymadmak said:
Nice ad him there. So, before I write you off as another apologist idiot hows about you find me just ONE example of anyone claiming that only Muslims commit these crimes. Just one. One. Should not be a problem if its there in black and white as you claim. Remember, just one. You can select one of my "narrow minded crap" posts if you like.
But hey look, it's the weekend and you won't want to. So to save you the trouble of having to make up some sort of wk excuse I'll make it easy for you and say that you won't find what you're saying is there. In case you're struggling, that means that no one has claimed that only Muslims commit these crimes. If you can prove me wrong on that then I will happily donate £100 to the victim charity of your choice
I've already written you off as a tBut hey look, it's the weekend and you won't want to. So to save you the trouble of having to make up some sort of w
k excuse I'll make it easy for you and say that you won't find what you're saying is there. In case you're struggling, that means that no one has claimed that only Muslims commit these crimes. If you can prove me wrong on that then I will happily donate £100 to the victim charity of your choicet so go for it. "Apologist" seems the default comeback from you silly tts. Actually, I wouldn't normally argue with stupid but fk it, what exactly is an apologist in this case?Whilst you're at it, read my post again, knob. I already said no one has come out and said out but its obvious if you read between the lines. But then I did also say retards would miss that, so if the cap fits...
Now, you know exactly what you can do
Edited by eddharris on Friday 24th April 17:22
Alpinestars said:
TTwiggy has it nailed. Sexual abuse is a male issue.
Actually, that's not quite true. Granted the overwhelming majority of perps are male, but not exclusively so. Look, can you please stop trying to play the victim here. This really is one of those "think of the children" times.
This is a silly argument.
What more is there to say about the story in the OP?
They abuse young children, they've been caught, arrested and convicted.
I don't know anyone who would defend them, try to justify their behaviour or make excuses for them.
People like that are rightly vilified by society already and they're usually ostracised from everyone they know, subject to vigilante 'justice' and run out of town when people discover who they are.
What else can you say about it to run it to hundreds of pages?
Now, when it's shown that abuse was ignored and covered up and that it has been endemic amongst certain groups for years and that victims weren't believed those threads get a lot of discussion. See any thread involving pervert celebrities and members of the establishment.
What more is there to say about the story in the OP?
They abuse young children, they've been caught, arrested and convicted.
I don't know anyone who would defend them, try to justify their behaviour or make excuses for them.
People like that are rightly vilified by society already and they're usually ostracised from everyone they know, subject to vigilante 'justice' and run out of town when people discover who they are.
What else can you say about it to run it to hundreds of pages?
Now, when it's shown that abuse was ignored and covered up and that it has been endemic amongst certain groups for years and that victims weren't believed those threads get a lot of discussion. See any thread involving pervert celebrities and members of the establishment.
Oakey said:
This is a silly argument.
What more is there to say about the story in the OP?
They abuse young children, they've been caught, arrested and convicted.
I don't know anyone who would defend them, try to justify their behaviour or make excuses for them.
People like that are rightly vilified by society already and they're usually ostracised from everyone they know, subject to vigilante 'justice' and run out of town when people discover who they are.
What else can you say about it to run it to hundreds of pages?
Now, when it's shown that abuse was ignored and covered up and that it has been endemic amongst certain groups for years and that victims weren't believed those threads get a lot of discussion. See any thread involving pervert celebrities and members of the establishment.
Do those threads ask for all celebs, all Catholics (as an example) to apologise on behalf of the perpetrators? That's the issue I think. Tarring people with a brush they have nothing to do with. What more is there to say about the story in the OP?
They abuse young children, they've been caught, arrested and convicted.
I don't know anyone who would defend them, try to justify their behaviour or make excuses for them.
People like that are rightly vilified by society already and they're usually ostracised from everyone they know, subject to vigilante 'justice' and run out of town when people discover who they are.
What else can you say about it to run it to hundreds of pages?
Now, when it's shown that abuse was ignored and covered up and that it has been endemic amongst certain groups for years and that victims weren't believed those threads get a lot of discussion. See any thread involving pervert celebrities and members of the establishment.
The perpetrators are
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