Boy lived for 100 minutes becomes UK's youngest organ donor
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toohangry said:
That's the bit that really choked me up and made me cuddle my children extra hard last night.
The parents left a huge impression on me.Although their Son lived for just 100 minutes somehow they seemed to be able to make his life meaningful and their gift of his organs was truly wonderful.they have in some small measure made me realise that we have a lot of very good and decent people in this world
0a said:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/23/boy...
What a terribly sad thing. I am unsure that I agree with the decision of the parents to take a child to term when he could not have survived. However watching them I question my position to judge, and he has let another person live.
I'm not sure it would have been possible to abort the affected child without losing the healthy twin.What a terribly sad thing. I am unsure that I agree with the decision of the parents to take a child to term when he could not have survived. However watching them I question my position to judge, and he has let another person live.
Incredible courage from the parents, while still incredibly sad they managed to give their tragedy meaning and the child's life was not in vain.
I'm on the organ donor register and have been for years. What sickened me was hearing about this on the news, and them saying that there still aren't enough donors in the UK to meet the demand, the truly galling thing being that 40% of donors can't donate due to their families intervening and blocking the removal of their organs. How selfish can you get, to presume that you can act for your now dead relative, who had already made the decision to donate? I'm a believer in the cyclical nature of life, death and biology, I hope that when I die, anything of use is quickly stripped out of me and given to someone who needs it. I won't be taking them with me anywhere, so let them do some good for another.
A sad, sad tale....that has some hope thanks to brave parents giving the gift of life to others through organ donation.
Apparently 95% of us would receive a donated organ, yet under 50% are prepared to give one when they no longer need it. This makes no sense. Perhaps we should only facilitate donation to those who have signed up to give as well?
Apparently 95% of us would receive a donated organ, yet under 50% are prepared to give one when they no longer need it. This makes no sense. Perhaps we should only facilitate donation to those who have signed up to give as well?
slybynight said:
55palfers said:
I'm a believer in by not carrying a donor card (unless you have a specific medical condition)you rule yourself ineligible for transplant surgery.
I've tried to argue against this with so many people, so many times. I have convinced nobody. So I conclude its one of those "Marmite" positions one holds.
I really struggled with this, the loss of a child is something I just cannot imagine the pain but I disagree with the organ donation. Just because medical science can do something doesn't mean it is the right thing to do..
Carrying a donor card should be an opt-in only decision as nobody but you should decide what happens to you either in whole or in bits. There was doctor as a guest on the BBC recently who commented if only we could get the organs sooner, at what point do we cross the line of taking before the organs are finished with?
This is a slippery slope and before we know it we will be in a place I don't want to see and for the record I wouldn't want to receive a transplant from another person. Grow it in the lab fine but not taken from another person, that is morally and ethically wrong on so many levels, I think as this has become more common people have started to see it as normal which I do not think it is, this is my personal opinion and no doubt others will have different views.
Carrying a donor card should be an opt-in only decision as nobody but you should decide what happens to you either in whole or in bits. There was doctor as a guest on the BBC recently who commented if only we could get the organs sooner, at what point do we cross the line of taking before the organs are finished with?
This is a slippery slope and before we know it we will be in a place I don't want to see and for the record I wouldn't want to receive a transplant from another person. Grow it in the lab fine but not taken from another person, that is morally and ethically wrong on so many levels, I think as this has become more common people have started to see it as normal which I do not think it is, this is my personal opinion and no doubt others will have different views.
gottans said:
I really struggled with this, the loss of a child is something I just cannot imagine the pain but I disagree with the organ donation. Just because medical science can do something doesn't mean it is the right thing to do..
Carrying a donor card should be an opt-in only decision as nobody but you should decide what happens to you either in whole or in bits. There was doctor as a guest on the BBC recently who commented if only we could get the organs sooner, at what point do we cross the line of taking before the organs are finished with?
This is a slippery slope and before we know it we will be in a place I don't want to see and for the record I wouldn't want to receive a transplant from another person. Grow it in the lab fine but not taken from another person, that is morally and ethically wrong on so many levels, I think as this has become more common people have started to see it as normal which I do not think it is, this is my personal opinion and no doubt others will have different views.
Teddy's organs were donated after he died. The care of organ donors before death is never influenced by whether or not they carry a donor card or anything like that - and treatments which could make donation impossible are always pursued if they may save the life of the would-be donor. Carrying a donor card should be an opt-in only decision as nobody but you should decide what happens to you either in whole or in bits. There was doctor as a guest on the BBC recently who commented if only we could get the organs sooner, at what point do we cross the line of taking before the organs are finished with?
This is a slippery slope and before we know it we will be in a place I don't want to see and for the record I wouldn't want to receive a transplant from another person. Grow it in the lab fine but not taken from another person, that is morally and ethically wrong on so many levels, I think as this has become more common people have started to see it as normal which I do not think it is, this is my personal opinion and no doubt others will have different views.
Not a 'slippery slope' situation as far as I can see.
BlackVanDyke said:
Teddy's organs were donated after he died. The care of organ donors before death is never influenced by whether or not they carry a donor card or anything like that - and treatments which could make donation impossible are always pursued if they may save the life of the would-be donor.
Not a 'slippery slope' situation as far as I can see.
Yer, like immigrants being trafficked for organs. Like the 'care pathway' being used to rush people out a bit quicker because they're in the way. Impossible eh!Not a 'slippery slope' situation as far as I can see.
gottans said:
I really struggled with this, the loss of a child is something I just cannot imagine the pain but I disagree with the organ donation. Just because medical science can do something doesn't mean it is the right thing to do..
Carrying a donor card should be an opt-in only decision as nobody but you should decide what happens to you either in whole or in bits. There was doctor as a guest on the BBC recently who commented if only we could get the organs sooner, at what point do we cross the line of taking before the organs are finished with?
This is a slippery slope and before we know it we will be in a place I don't want to see and for the record I wouldn't want to receive a transplant from another person. Grow it in the lab fine but not taken from another person, that is morally and ethically wrong on so many levels, I think as this has become more common people have started to see it as normal which I do not think it is, this is my personal opinion and no doubt others will have different views.
Incredible, could you explain a bit more about your views? I've always wanted to pick the brains (if you'll excuse the expression, I'm sure you'd find it unethical) of someone from the middle ages.Carrying a donor card should be an opt-in only decision as nobody but you should decide what happens to you either in whole or in bits. There was doctor as a guest on the BBC recently who commented if only we could get the organs sooner, at what point do we cross the line of taking before the organs are finished with?
This is a slippery slope and before we know it we will be in a place I don't want to see and for the record I wouldn't want to receive a transplant from another person. Grow it in the lab fine but not taken from another person, that is morally and ethically wrong on so many levels, I think as this has become more common people have started to see it as normal which I do not think it is, this is my personal opinion and no doubt others will have different views.
I cannot believe some of the comments on here. Does anyone really think Doctors look at someone and not try their damdest to save their lives because they carry a donor card?
Do they really think that Doctors look at old people and decide to starve them to death as a cost saving, jeez we have some bonheads on here!!
They try to save everyone but the Doctor saying they could do with them sooner is correct. Delays sometimes mean healthy organs are wasted.
There should be a legal framework that once someone who has registered on the donor list, no relative should be able to stop their wishes. It is a time of high emotion when losing a loved one and people do not think straight sometimes. I have told all my family what I have done and my wishes and I know they will honour those wishes.
Do they really think that Doctors look at old people and decide to starve them to death as a cost saving, jeez we have some bonheads on here!!
They try to save everyone but the Doctor saying they could do with them sooner is correct. Delays sometimes mean healthy organs are wasted.
There should be a legal framework that once someone who has registered on the donor list, no relative should be able to stop their wishes. It is a time of high emotion when losing a loved one and people do not think straight sometimes. I have told all my family what I have done and my wishes and I know they will honour those wishes.
spaximus said:
I cannot believe some of the comments on here. Does anyone really think Doctors look at someone and not try their damdest to save their lives because they carry a donor card?
Do they really think that Doctors look at old people and decide to starve them to death as a cost saving, jeez we have some bonheads on here!!
They try to save everyone but the Doctor saying they could do with them sooner is correct. Delays sometimes mean healthy organs are wasted.
There should be a legal framework that once someone who has registered on the donor list, no relative should be able to stop their wishes. It is a time of high emotion when losing a loved one and people do not think straight sometimes. I have told all my family what I have done and my wishes and I know they will honour those wishes.
Agreed. Some people hold some really odd views re donor cards. A work colleague once told me that he wouldn't carry a donor card in case the doctor who was treating him if the event of an accident might have a child waiting for an organ!Do they really think that Doctors look at old people and decide to starve them to death as a cost saving, jeez we have some bonheads on here!!
They try to save everyone but the Doctor saying they could do with them sooner is correct. Delays sometimes mean healthy organs are wasted.
There should be a legal framework that once someone who has registered on the donor list, no relative should be able to stop their wishes. It is a time of high emotion when losing a loved one and people do not think straight sometimes. I have told all my family what I have done and my wishes and I know they will honour those wishes.
Yeah, I'm sure that happens all the time, a doctor who has a child on the waiting list treats someone and kills them when they could have lived because they want to grab a kidney to save their own child.
Ffs!
I'm all for making it an opt out position. Everyone is a donor and if they hold strong views on not being one, then they have to make the effort to carry a "not a donor" card.
A fantastic story that made me feel better about the world. The picture of the parents with their boy was lovely. I saw "donor cards" mentioned earlier in the thread. I'd been carrying the same scruffy card around in my wallet for at least 20 years until a mate saw it and asked if I'd joined the register - which I hadn't.
https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/how_to_become_a_d...
https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/how_to_become_a_d...
Gottam has a point that needs to be discussed. Quite a lot of organ donor card carriers in this country are overrulled by their loved ones after they die.
Although we all play lip service to the idea of organ donation, when it comes to the crunch a lot of families simply don't allow it to go ahead. I suspect there are quite deep seated problems in a lot of peoples minds about the ethical/moral issues, and not just simply they can't bear to think of their loved ones in pieces
Although we all play lip service to the idea of organ donation, when it comes to the crunch a lot of families simply don't allow it to go ahead. I suspect there are quite deep seated problems in a lot of peoples minds about the ethical/moral issues, and not just simply they can't bear to think of their loved ones in pieces
Randy Winkman said:
I'd been carrying the same scruffy card around in my wallet for at least 20 years .
The scruffy ones are the best. If you carry a new one, there's always a chance the doctor treating you might let you die in order that nab it to replace his own scruffy one.....apparently!Everyone is entitled to their own view on this and their own opinion.
However, I find it really annoying that people will not associate themselves with organ donation purely because they think their sky fairy would frown upon it.
We live in an era where we know that when you die, you are finished with your body and anything contained within. To not let healthy parts be reused is a viewpoint that we should have left behind years ago.
In relation to organ trafficking, I guess that in some parts of the world this could happen. I don't think that anyone would get far trying it on in Western society though.
However, I find it really annoying that people will not associate themselves with organ donation purely because they think their sky fairy would frown upon it.
We live in an era where we know that when you die, you are finished with your body and anything contained within. To not let healthy parts be reused is a viewpoint that we should have left behind years ago.
In relation to organ trafficking, I guess that in some parts of the world this could happen. I don't think that anyone would get far trying it on in Western society though.
funkyrobot said:
However, I find it really annoying that people will not associate themselves with organ donation purely because they think their sky fairy would frown upon it.
I have no issue with that so long as the sky fairy in question also frowns upon receiving an organ. It's when the sky fairy has no issue with the receiving but doesn't allow the donating that I get irritated.funkyrobot said:
We live in an era where we know that when you die, you are finished with your body and anything contained within. To not let healthy parts be reused is a viewpoint that we should have left behind years ago.
That's how I feel. The people I love are their personalities and actions, not their bodies. A dead body isn't actually a person as far as I'm concerned. On the few occasions I've been to a family funeral, I've found the idea of their body a bit weird. It's not them, cos they're (sadly) dead. Randy Winkman said:
funkyrobot said:
We live in an era where we know that when you die, you are finished with your body and anything contained within. To not let healthy parts be reused is a viewpoint that we should have left behind years ago.
That's how I feel. The people I love are their personalities and actions, not their bodies. A dead body isn't actually a person as far as I'm concerned. On the few occasions I've been to a family funeral, I've found the idea of their body a bit weird. It's not them, cos they're (sadly) dead. I'm happy for any useful bits to be taken from me, just seems odd not to really. If I got hit by a bus tomorrow, I would like any unsquished bits to be used.
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