Baltimore race riots
Discussion
I'm appreciating the photos of locals lining up in front of the police lines, facing the protesters, defending the police. I particularly liked the pic of the kid walking between the police and locals line handing out bottles of water to the police. Of course, the context is missing in a snapshot, so pinches of metaphorical salt required.
The suggestion is the media are not broadcasting these pics, preferring to imply it's a ALL locals vs police.
It's all a mess.
The suggestion is the media are not broadcasting these pics, preferring to imply it's a ALL locals vs police.
It's all a mess.
SystemParanoia said:
2013BRM said:
unrepentant said:
2013BRM said:
Maybe, just maybe this mindless violence is a product of lazy parenting, parent's who take an active role however it manifests itself has to be better than doing cock all
No, it's mainly the product of racial brutality by the local constabulary.ever had this happen every day on your way to or from collage?
ever continually been pulled over with the famous line "we've pulled you over because there have been lots of cars matching this description being stolen in the area" ... no matter what area you're in, its always the same line.
ever had a glove box full of 20+ producers to take into the police station to "prove" yourself an honest citizen.. again and again?
ever had to deal with that dull stupid nothing between the ears look when you kick off at the police pulling you over waving the afore mentioned fist full of producers at them demanding that they leave you alone?
...thought not.
this is the police trying to taunt you into doing something stupid so they can get to have some fun beating someone up a bit and giving them a criminal record so that they can have a good laugh at ruining your professional career before its even started.
so no, i have not been a victim of police brutality per-say, as i did not allow myself to fall into their obvious trap.
but i have been a victim of institutional racism and profiling, which is just as bad.
Interesting perspective
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32507556
Without the riots, would anyone take any notice of another black man being killed by US police?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32507556
Without the riots, would anyone take any notice of another black man being killed by US police?
Bluebarge said:
Interesting perspective
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32507556
Without the riots, would anyone take any notice of another black man being killed by US police?
I really don't like scumbags who use a death of a man to riot and steal from their own community.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32507556
Without the riots, would anyone take any notice of another black man being killed by US police?
however is the US really heading for some serious racial problem in the next 5 to 10 years.
SystemParanoia said:
2013BRM said:
unrepentant said:
2013BRM said:
Maybe, just maybe this mindless violence is a product of lazy parenting, parent's who take an active role however it manifests itself has to be better than doing cock all
No, it's mainly the product of racial brutality by the local constabulary.ever had this happen every day on your way to or from collage?
ever continually been pulled over with the famous line "we've pulled you over because there have been lots of cars matching this description being stolen in the area" ... no matter what area you're in, its always the same line.
ever had a glove box full of 20+ producers to take into the police station to "prove" yourself an honest citizen.. again and again?
ever had to deal with that dull stupid nothing between the ears look when you kick off at the police pulling you over waving the afore mentioned fist full of producers at them demanding that they leave you alone?
...thought not.
so, to the next part of my post, why is this happening in this State?
johnxjsc1985 said:
Bluebarge said:
Interesting perspective
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32507556
Without the riots, would anyone take any notice of another black man being killed by US police?
I really don't like scumbags who use a death of a man to riot and steal from their own community.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32507556
Without the riots, would anyone take any notice of another black man being killed by US police?
however is the US really heading for some serious racial problem in the next 5 to 10 years.
2. Not sure it will take that long.
johnxjsc1985 said:
however is the US really heading for some serious racial problem in the next 5 to 10 years.
It isn't just a racial issue, but even moreso socio-economic. The poor and disadvantaged are traditionally targets for abuse in the States. The mentality that most Americans absorb subconsciously is that the "weak" deserve it. As the economic situation continues to deteriorate, we will only see more of this.
Bluebarge said:
Interesting perspective
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32507556
Without the riots, would anyone take any notice of another black man being killed by US police?
For all the hand-wringing I would agree, the people condemning violence on twitter etc don't actually give a flying fhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32507556
Without the riots, would anyone take any notice of another black man being killed by US police?
k about police officers killing people who aren't middle class and white, so long as their neighourhood as safe. We just want the short term problem to go away. That's human nature, but it makes pretending to be sympathetic hypocritical.Why the hell should the rioters listen to us? Our interests and theirs are fundamentally not aligned, we're not going to help them (hashtags are not help) whatever they do. If I had real advice for them, it would probably be along the lines of how to expand beyond merely attacking existing government to setting up your own - taxes, supply chains, internal justice system, the lot. The US government can absorb violence and property destruction so long as it's temporary and tax dollars keep flowing - if anything could properly scare them into either changing*, the prospect of competition, of not being needed, would. But I doubt they're capable of that.
Huh, maybe there is a reason education for the deprived sucks...
*or resorting to even more horrific violence against its own people. You'd have to roll the dice and hope there's a point where even the most hardened authoritian thinks twice. Then again, maybe some congressmen would happily strafe their own citizens.
Edited by paranoid airbag on Wednesday 29th April 17:38
scherzkeks said:
It isn't just a racial issue, but even moreso socio-economic. The poor and disadvantaged are traditionally targets for abuse in the States. The mentality that most Americans absorb subconsciously is that the "weak" deserve it.
As the economic situation continues to deteriorate, we will only see more of this.
agreed it just so happens that the poorest people seem to be black and given the same circumstances any ethic group would get to the same point and say enough is enough.As the economic situation continues to deteriorate, we will only see more of this.
scherzkeks said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
however is the US really heading for some serious racial problem in the next 5 to 10 years.
It isn't just a racial issue, but even moreso socio-economic. The poor and disadvantaged are traditionally targets for abuse in the States. The mentality that most Americans absorb subconsciously is that the "weak" deserve it. As the economic situation continues to deteriorate, we will only see more of this.
It's true that proportionately more African Americans (by some margin) live in poverty. That in itself is a result of racism.
Fact is if you're bright and aspirational you don't become a cop. It's poorly paid, not a great job and attracts a certain type of person. There are exceptions of course but in general the people that do become cops are not well educated and therefore it's not surprising that a certain level of bigotry is prevalent. They then go to work with like minded people and nobody should be surprised at the result.
The economy is not deteriorating at all. We have a booming stock market, a housing market that is getting stronger and record new car sales. We have also had 61 straight months of private sector job growth.
StangGT said:
Maybe, just maybe, the 'mom's' readiness to 'whoop' her kid's ass has contributed to him thinking rioting is an ok thing to do??
I'm sure I'm wrong tho and the best answer is to meet violence with more violence.
Or maybe, just maybe she's a single mother of 6.I'm sure I'm wrong tho and the best answer is to meet violence with more violence.
Their fathers must have all been at work too...
unrepentant said:
scherzkeks said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
however is the US really heading for some serious racial problem in the next 5 to 10 years.
It isn't just a racial issue, but even moreso socio-economic. The poor and disadvantaged are traditionally targets for abuse in the States. The mentality that most Americans absorb subconsciously is that the "weak" deserve it. As the economic situation continues to deteriorate, we will only see more of this.
It's true that proportionately more African Americans (by some margin) live in poverty. That in itself is a result of racism.
Fact is if you're bright and aspirational you don't become a cop. It's poorly paid, not a great job and attracts a certain type of person. There are exceptions of course but in general the people that do become cops are not well educated and therefore it's not surprising that a certain level of bigotry is prevalent. They then go to work with like minded people and nobody should be surprised at the result.
The economy is not deteriorating at all. We have a booming stock market, a housing market that is getting stronger and record new car sales. We have also had 61 straight months of private sector job growth.
Bluebarge said:
Interesting perspective
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32507556
Without the riots, would anyone take any notice of another black man being killed by US police?
Nope, even with the riots the overwhelming narrative seems to be "why cant they protest peacefully like MLK" conveniently forgetting the man said http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32507556
Without the riots, would anyone take any notice of another black man being killed by US police?
But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear?...It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity."
—“The Other America,” MLK 1968
Oh then he got killed for "protesting peacefully"
unrepentant said:
No, it's mainly a racial issue. The poor whites are often the most racist and the cops don't discriminate based on income. They're as likely to pull over an affluent black man in a nice car as they are a poor black man in a shed.
It's true that proportionately more African Americans (by some margin) live in poverty. That in itself is a result of racism.
No it isn't. Police violence is a fact of life in the States. Particularly if you are protesting. Racism certainly plays a role, but is not the only issue. I worked for a police union for several years, and am well aware of the mentality most cops have toward minorities, but the greater issue remains the wealth gap. The white on black violence and vice versa get the most press though.It's true that proportionately more African Americans (by some margin) live in poverty. That in itself is a result of racism.
unrepentant said:
Fact is if you're bright and aspirational you don't become a cop. It's poorly paid, not a great job and attracts a certain type of person. There are exceptions of course but in general the people that do become cops are not well educated and therefore it's not surprising that a certain level of bigotry is prevalent. They then go to work with like minded people and nobody should be surprised at the result.
Nonsense. Policework is paid quite decently, particularly as you move up the ranks. The idea that all cops were poor students is also rather silly. It's a mixed bag. The issue as I understand it is cultural, but not just within America's police institutions, rather within America itself, as I mentioned. Eat the weak. I currently live Germany and the police here are far more respectful and humane. But by your logic, they must select only the best and the brightest? 
unrepentant said:
The economy is not deteriorating at all. We have a booming stock market, a housing market that is getting stronger and record new car sales. We have also had 61 straight months of private sector job growth.
If you say so. You won't catch me returning. I'll observe the chaos from afar, thanks.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff