Police investigate after woman complains re whistling
Discussion
Funkycoldribena said:
My days....pedo builders everywhere...
My missus was flashed at twice as a young girl, once by a bloke who lived at the bottom of her road as she went to school several times. It wasn't as if it was some random bloke doing it in the street, by chance to get a quick thrill - she knew his address!
Same bloke, every morning on her way to school, strutting around 'accidentally naked' at the window of his Victorian terrace knowing that schoolgirls were walking past. It upset her after a while, not so much that she was seeing his todger, but that he was effectively lying in wait for her, ready to be 'unexpectedly caught naked'. It was the control she felt he was trying to exert that she didn't like, rather than what she actually saw.
Once the cops collared him (hardly difficult, she arranged to walk past with them one morning) he admitted that he got off on the thrill of upsetting women because he couldn't actually get one himself. Not a massive leap away from what these blokes are doing.
contango said:
Why is this the responsibility of the police, authorities and media?
If she is uncomfortable with the attention (tattooed exhibitionist?) why doesn't her parent /guardian/boyfriend have a discrete word with the site foreman?
Um, dumb and not joined upIf she is uncomfortable with the attention (tattooed exhibitionist?) why doesn't her parent /guardian/boyfriend have a discrete word with the site foreman?
You're thinking like a bloke, trying to solve the problem by getting another bloke involved to protect the little lady, when really the problem shouldnt be there. Turn it around, maybe the foreman shouldnt have people on his site who are sexist and are likely to wolf whistle. Maybe the labourers consider they're not in a pack and decide that wolf whistling isnt an acceptable way of communicating with people. Then, maybe, people have the right to walk down the street in peace and harmony and blokes on building sites get on with their jobs instead of looking at tits?
It's a really weird thing, feminist thinking. I dont begrudge it at all, I quite welcome it because it makes you think about life in someone elses shoes and consider how your behaviour is shaped, but then I'm quite open to equality whether it's implicit or not.
wolves_wanderer said:
T5XARV said:
Attention-seeking, man-hating, muti-tatted, pumped-up joke of a deliberate social experiment designed to further subjugate the modern white male.
You are a fruitloop.
As a one off instance I would think it silly, even if I could understand her frustration - in the way you get annoyed at the 33rd time a "friend" links you this "hilarious" new trend they've discovered called the "harlem shake". Fair enough they didn't know you're sick and tired of it.
If they already been told their attention was unwelcome, and carried on anyway, I am extremely okay with using taxpayer money to give them a good b
king. If someone tells you to leave them alone, fking do so. I seem to remember there being a lot of sympathy on PH for the kid who stabbed some girls after they called him harry potter - because it wasn't the one-off incident that summary suggests.
Edited by paranoid airbag on Tuesday 28th April 14:08
andy-xr said:
contango said:
Why is this the responsibility of the police, authorities and media?
If she is uncomfortable with the attention (tattooed exhibitionist?) why doesn't her parent /guardian/boyfriend have a discrete word with the site foreman?
Um, dumb and not joined upIf she is uncomfortable with the attention (tattooed exhibitionist?) why doesn't her parent /guardian/boyfriend have a discrete word with the site foreman?
You're thinking like a bloke, trying to solve the problem by getting another bloke involved to protect the little lady, when really the problem shouldnt be there. Turn it around, maybe the foreman shouldnt have people on his site who are sexist and are likely to wolf whistle. Maybe the labourers consider they're not in a pack and decide that wolf whistling isnt an acceptable way of communicating with people. Then, maybe, people have the right to walk down the street in peace and harmony and blokes on building sites get on with their jobs instead of looking at tits?
It's a really weird thing, feminist thinking. I dont begrudge it at all, I quite welcome it because it makes you think about life in someone elses shoes and consider how your behaviour is shaped, but then I'm quite open to equality whether it's implicit or not.
) but visual appreciation is as far as it goes, I'd never say or do anything to cause a female distress. She shouldn't need the aforementioned parent/guardian/boyfriend to sort this problem out because it just shouldn't happen. I suspect if she was walking by with a brick sthouse of a bloke then these fellas would be as quiet as the proverbial church mouse. andy-xr said:
I dont agree with this, there's no entitlement from men if women who go near them are somehow asking for it. They might just want to dress/behave like that for them, for someone they're meeting, there's no need for anyone to get involved in what someone else is doing
I also doubt that the same group of blokes would wolf whistle a bloke. So it's sexist. and I think in the absence of a group or organisation that can help put a stop to it, going to the police is probably the right course of action
The opposite does happen thoughI also doubt that the same group of blokes would wolf whistle a bloke. So it's sexist. and I think in the absence of a group or organisation that can help put a stop to it, going to the police is probably the right course of action
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabou...
It's all part of the dating game since time began. bloke whistles at girl, if he looks like poldark she smiles back, take it from there. Otherwise that's the end of it.
I heard this on the the radio news this morning and thought how 1970s it all sounded. I thought we had moved on from this type of behaviour. For sure, I know women who'd fight back but I also know someone for whom this would feel terribly personal and total play upon her mind. She would positively hate the thought of her journey to work, having to pass such people.
I hate the thought that it could be someone I know on the receiving end of those men.
I'm disturbed by the sheer number of PHers on the first 3 pages who think this is acceptable, and I don't understand the bile towards the girl in the article. The "pack" mentality here is not dissimilar to the builders themselves.
I hate the thought that it could be someone I know on the receiving end of those men.
I'm disturbed by the sheer number of PHers on the first 3 pages who think this is acceptable, and I don't understand the bile towards the girl in the article. The "pack" mentality here is not dissimilar to the builders themselves.
Watchman said:
I heard this on the the radio news this morning and thought how 1970s it all sounded. I thought we had moved on from this type of behaviour. For sure, I know women who'd fight back
Why need to fight?Friend mine says she feels quite smug if she gets whistled, especially if it doesnt happen to her mates
Besides it's a chance to eye up some well built blokes.
It takes all sorts
Quite... she was getting regularly harassed probably by the same people, not just them picking somebody at random.
Should somebody have to feel apprehensive about merely walking down a street in the UK? I get the impression that if she asked them to directly not do it (perhaps she did though) it would make things worse.
Should somebody have to feel apprehensive about merely walking down a street in the UK? I get the impression that if she asked them to directly not do it (perhaps she did though) it would make things worse.
saaby93 said:
Watchman said:
I heard this on the the radio news this morning and thought how 1970s it all sounded. I thought we had moved on from this type of behaviour. For sure, I know women who'd fight back
Why need to fight?Friend mine says she feels quite smug if she gets whistled, especially if it doesnt happen to her mates
Besides it's a chance to eye up some well built blokes.
It takes all sorts
saaby93 said:
he opposite does happen though
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabou...
It's all part of the dating game since time began. bloke whistles at girl, if he looks like poldark she smiles back, take it from there. Otherwise that's the end of it.
It used to be that you'd knock a bird on the head and drag her to your cave, things have moved on and for many they havent moved with the times, seeing a snide comment, a whistle or smack on the arse as their way of passing a compliment. The attitude is often 'why wouldnt these women like to be complimented, I dont know what they're getting so upset about' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabou...
It's all part of the dating game since time began. bloke whistles at girl, if he looks like poldark she smiles back, take it from there. Otherwise that's the end of it.
Like AMEX and Zippos, it's just not cool.
Oakey said:
Do you accept some women are happy to be whistled at and some see it as a compliment?
I suppose if they shouted out " excuse me but you are a very attractive woman " she would have been on to the Police in a flash.what is sscary is the amount of people living in some wierd world were everyone is totally PC and respectful to all.
Someone mentioned Tatoos the other day on the UKIP thread well the same applies here these lads are being accused of all sorts of stuff because they behave in a way some on here and this young woman found offensive.
No arrests have been made so I take it no laws have been broken
Oakey said:
Watchman said:
You think wolf whistles are actually a compliment, don't you?
Do you accept some women are happy to be whistled at and some see it as a compliment?As said above, it just isn't cool. In the same way that shell suits, football hooliganism, spitting in public (or at all), and other yobbish behaviour isn't.
andy-xr said:
It used to be that you'd knock a bird on the head and drag her to your cave, things have moved on and for many they havent moved with the times, seeing a snide comment, a whistle or smack on the arse as their way of passing a compliment. The attitude is often 'why wouldnt these women like to be complimented, I dont know what they're getting so upset about'
Like AMEX and Zippos, it's just not cool.
You're mixing different things. There are lines.Like AMEX and Zippos, it's just not cool.
There have been other threads about people taking offence on behalf of people who hadnt taken offence at all
Clearly the subject of the OP has, but let's not say that everyone everywhere would be similarly offended, especially as it's often taken as a compliment
Proportionality. Otherwise you men stay in that room there and you women in that other room and no mixing.
What would that do for the human race?
johnxjsc1985 said:
No arrests have been made so I take it no laws have been broken
The Telegraph said:
West Mercia Police contacted Worcester-based Fimeca Building and Maintenance and questioned them on suspicion of sexual harassment. CCTV of the building site was studied to identify the culprits who were given official warnings by their employers. But the investigation was dropped when Miss Smart said she was happy the men had been internally disciplined. Police said the way they reacted to such incidents depended on each individual case and that their response was often victim-led.
PurpleTurtle said:
Not a massive leap away from what these blokes are doing.
"Bloke" -> whistling bloke -> flashing pedo bloke.Given the jump from bloke to whistling bloke is surely far, far smaller, it's probably safer if we just lock up all men. Otherwise it's only a matter of time before we're all making quite the mess of our windows.
Watchman said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
No arrests have been made so I take it no laws have been broken
The Telegraph said:
West Mercia Police contacted Worcester-based Fimeca Building and Maintenance and questioned them on suspicion of sexual harassment. CCTV of the building site was studied to identify the culprits who were given official warnings by their employers. But the investigation was dropped when Miss Smart said she was happy the men had been internally disciplined. Police said the way they reacted to such incidents depended on each individual case and that their response was often victim-led.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabou...
Should this be marked as NSFW?
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv...
saaby93 said:
Watchman said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
No arrests have been made so I take it no laws have been broken
The Telegraph said:
West Mercia Police contacted Worcester-based Fimeca Building and Maintenance and questioned them on suspicion of sexual harassment. CCTV of the building site was studied to identify the culprits who were given official warnings by their employers. But the investigation was dropped when Miss Smart said she was happy the men had been internally disciplined. Police said the way they reacted to such incidents depended on each individual case and that their response was often victim-led.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabou...
Should this be marked as NSFW?
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv...
However, it's all about perception, reception, intent and the capability of someone to "deal with it". In the case of a group of large men intimidating a woman over the course of a month who clearly isn't comfortable with it, it's just bullying. In the case of a group of girls engaging with with a group of men, well in this case there is a "group" of men on the receiving end and, like it or not, men and women's equality isn't equal. I bet the men loved it. It's right to stop the behaviour but the telling point is that no-one complained about it.
As I said, it's just not cool but then I don't like group/pack-like behaviour in any situation. Maybe it's my age.
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