Less attractive women whinging about attractive advert lady

[otolith]

glazbagun said:

I can't imagine many male parallels of that situation, the importance of "looking pretty" is obviously drummed into girls to an unhealthy degree growing up.

They're working on it.

http://www.rcpch.ac.uk/news/male-eating-disorders-...

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/...

There was a mention on the radio the other day of GPs expressing concern about teenage boys abusing supplements. Although I think their concerns were around excessive protein intake and renal function, which is not a concern well supported by evidence (although the evidence relates to high protein diets and supplement use by athletes, not to adolescents being really stupid with the stuff) it points to a problem brewing.

[FredClogs]

Look - here's the truth...

We're animals. Copulation, attraction, lust - it's about reproduction and both men and women want to reproduce with healthy, fit members of the opposite sex, being fat isn't healthy, having single figure % body fat is not healthy. As a rule of thumb (some people have weird kinks but that's generally about the thrill of breaking taboo) people want to breed with the best genetics they can find, and we know where our level is so generally settle for the best we can get.

It's perpetuated by fashion, porn, media, marketing etc... and exaggerated because that's what they do - everyday people don't sell that's why they just hype and exaggerate and create the improbable. It's hard for me to imagine why people don't understand this.

Edited by FredClogs on Thursday 30th April 10:29

[popeyewhite]

TurboHatchback said:

Unsurprisingly as an intelligent person who takes a great interest in the subject I do a great deal of research on the subject. You seem to take the apologist 'can't' attitude to a whole new level, I've never seen anyone claim before that mental determination is genetic and if you don't have it there is nothing you can do. That assertion is frankly laughable.

Intrinsic motivation is genetic. This is the most important type of motivation for completing personal targets. Not sure what 'research' you've done, but you might want to dig a bit deeper.

Nice to know you think you're intelligent though, did you take a test or are you basing that statement on the fact you manage to put the correct fuel in your car?

[Murcielago_Boy]

andy-xr said:

What you (and I guess WinstonWolf to his daughter) are saying is basically ignore it, hope it goes away. They're wrong love. Dont listen to them.

I think if you have to ignore 60%+ of things that are presented to you daily, it's more a reflection that ignoring it isnt working, and either something's wrong with you the subject, or something's wrong with how stuff's presented.

I live my life somewhat ideologically, which I can accept doesnt always fit with what a society is, and I choose to take on and question things that are presented to me, rather than dismiss them or accept them automatically. I think dismissal is probably the worst thing to do with a problem, because it comes back bigger and badder, tapping you on the shoulder.

Damn right!
You have to ignore 60% of the drivel shoved down your throat daily. Damn bloody right.
If NOT, you'll end up a mess.Take society too seriously and you'll end up aspiring to be Kim Karwkian and her JCB-jawed rapper husband.

Dismissal is confidence - confidence in your OWN way of living, you're OWN looks, you're OWN level of material status.

THIS, is the problem.
People (especially the youngsters for whom I feel so sorry) believe everything they see on the internet/TV/media etc. It really is like they're brainwashed. They have no confidence in themselves and either take offence at meaningless "ideals" (which is pathetic) OR do their level best to conform to the worst of them (equally pathetic).
They don't need to. Walk on - Be happy.

Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Thursday 30th April 10:38

[crofty1984]

TurboHatchback said:

popeyewhite said:

The average man could run a marathon if he motivated himself enough, got the training right etc. But we all know he won't, because it's very hard and most aren't that intrinsically motivated. It's a fact.

Exactly, he could but generally he doesn't, you seem to be trying very hard to tell me I'm wrong whilst agreeing with me there. Motivation is a state of mind, you aren't born with or without it. I could run a marathon but I won't as I'm not motivated to do so.

So a person that IS that motivated looks a lot healthier and perhaps more attractive than you (and me!). Maybe that should be something that we , well, not aspire to, but should certainly accept that that has resulted in him looking more attractive to a lot of people, both for pure aesthetics and the fact that his physique suggests that he's dedicated and motivated to keeping himself in shape, which a lot of people like.

Thankfully my GF likes my er, um, bugger - best get down the gym!

[barryrs]

popeyewhite said:

Intrinsic motivation is genetic. This is the most important type of motivation for completing personal targets. Not sure what 'research' you've done, but you might want to dig a bit deeper.

I think i have some anecdotal evidence of this.

It would explain why all the attractive girls in my year at school now look terrible some 20 years later

[Axionknight]

popeyewhite said:

Intrinsic motivation is genetic. This is the most important type of motivation for completing personal targets. Not sure what 'research' you've done, but you might want to dig a bit deeper.

Nice to know you think you're intelligent though, did you take a test or are you basing that statement on the fact you manage to put the correct fuel in your car?

[TurboHatchback]

crofty1984 said:

TurboHatchback said:

popeyewhite said:

The average man could run a marathon if he motivated himself enough, got the training right etc. But we all know he won't, because it's very hard and most aren't that intrinsically motivated. It's a fact.

Exactly, he could but generally he doesn't, you seem to be trying very hard to tell me I'm wrong whilst agreeing with me there. Motivation is a state of mind, you aren't born with or without it. I could run a marathon but I won't as I'm not motivated to do so.

So a person that IS that motivated looks a lot healthier and perhaps more attractive than you (and me!). Maybe that should be something that we , well, not aspire to, but should certainly accept that that has resulted in him looking more attractive to a lot of people, both for pure aesthetics and the fact that his physique suggests that he's dedicated and motivated to keeping himself in shape, which a lot of people like.

Thankfully my GF likes my er, um, bugger - best get down the gym!

Healthier certainly, more attractive is a more subjective quality (probably though). Whilst I think obvious motivation is an almost universally attractive quality, the distance runner physique is more divisive. Personally I think the casual marathon runner often looks quite good but I find Olympic 10,000m runners deeply unattractive.

I'm not motivated to run a marathon because A: it's unpleasant and B: I don't aspire to look or perform like a marathon runner. I aspire towards a different physique and work fairly hard towards achieving that so I don't know if I'm more or less motivated, I just have a different goal. I'm sure pretty much everyones ideal is unique, there is no universal standard of perfection.

popeyewhite said:

Intrinsic motivation is genetic.

The science behind that assertion is fairly limited and only supports a partial predisposition anyhow. Out of curiosity do you consider yourself to be genetically blessed with intrinsic motivation or not?

[Hoofy]

c8bof said:

Hoofy said:

I know what you mean. It's annoying because when I see a fat woman jogging, I want to cheer her on or give her a thumbs up but I suspect she'll think I was taking the piss.

We've got some larger / slower runners in our club who all welcome a cheery smile and thumbs up if it seems genuine.

I'd say go for it :-)

Ah. Maybe a smile and a nod.

One of my heavier friends has done 5 marathons. Have a lot of respect for her.

[Colonial]

Hoofy said:

I know what you mean. It's annoying because when I see a fat woman jogging, I want to cheer her on or give her a thumbs up but I suspect she'll think I was taking the piss.

At the last half marathon I did the person I respected most wasn't the guys doing it 1hr 30m, it was the bigger woman who jogged the whole way who did it in 2hrs 40m.

She's in my local park run as well. She bloody does it. Every bloody weekend and she is a lovely person.

At the last parkrun she got abused by a pedestrian. Cue about 20 sweaty men rounding on overweight middle aged man who though he could bully a woman.

sts me. When people are doing something for their health and well being either give them a smile, or leave them alone.

A smile and a nod means a lot. It did for me from other runners when I was puffing and panting my way to 40m 5kms. Now I feel I can give the smile and nod.

[popeyewhite]

TurboHatchback said:

The science behind that assertion is fairly limited and only supports a partial predisposition anyhow.

Well, motivation is one of the most researched topics in sport psychology, there have been thousands of journal articles, book chapters and books, lectures, seminars, presentations and more than a few conferences - both national and international, over the last four decades. After all motivation, according to numerous theories which I'm sure you yourself could go into on here - is a major factor that separates winners from losers in sport. According to theory intrinsic motivation - or our internal motivation - is a far more important driver for most people than reward based - extrinsic - motivation. Of course you might argue that depends on how much someone is offered to win something.

Current trends are shifting more towards process than target goals now as well - a endorsement of the importance of intrinsic motivation and links with self-efficacy, self-confidence etc..in a cyclical relationship.

TurboHatchback said:

Out of curiosity do you consider yourself to be genetically blessed with intrinsic motivation or not?

I'm not sure whether it's a blessing or not. After all you can be intrinsically motivated towards a negative goal.

Anyway, I have my moments, but sadly failed the audition for Poldark.

[thehawk]

Colonial said:

Considering the amount of abuse I hear get directed at women who aren't a size 8 or below that dare to go jogging in public (I'm a runner, still a slightly overweight one, but getting better) from men I'm not surprised they have body issues.

But I don't think that is particularly targeted, those sorts of people are the dheads of the highest order who will abuse absolutely anybody regardless of sex or what they look like. Seems to be some Aussie bogan thing to yell abuse at people from cars.

[21TonyK]

Did I just see the advert has been banned from being used again?

Really not interested in the argument for or against but to ban it?

I'd like to know on what grounds if it is the case.

[turbobloke]

21TonyK said:

Did I just see the advert has been banned from being used again?

Really not interested in the argument for or against but to ban it?

I'd like to know on what grounds if it is the case.

ASA move in mysterious ways. In any case the controversy has given the advertisers maximum additional publicity, job done, next advert please.

[Hoofy]

Colonial said:

Hoofy said:

I know what you mean. It's annoying because when I see a fat woman jogging, I want to cheer her on or give her a thumbs up but I suspect she'll think I was taking the piss.

At the last half marathon I did the person I respected most wasn't the guys doing it 1hr 30m, it was the bigger woman who jogged the whole way who did it in 2hrs 40m.

She's in my local park run as well. She bloody does it. Every bloody weekend and she is a lovely person.

At the last parkrun she got abused by a pedestrian. Cue about 20 sweaty men rounding on overweight middle aged man who though he could bully a woman.

sts me. When people are doing something for their health and well being either give them a smile, or leave them alone.

A smile and a nod means a lot. It did for me from other runners when I was puffing and panting my way to 40m 5kms. Now I feel I can give the smile and nod.

Good to hear.

I dunno why some people are like that. Must have been funny to see the abuser st himself.

[Jasandjules]

Did loads of men complain about the Diet Coke ads ?

[Hoofy]

Jasandjules said:

Did loads of men complain about the Diet Coke ads ?

Personally, I daren't drink Diet Coke in public these days.















Unless I do it in slow motion with my t-shirt off.

[Oakey]

Hoofy said:

Personally, I daren't drink Diet Coke in public these days.















Unless I do it in slow motion with my t-shirt off.

Wait, that isn't a side effect of drinking diet coke?

[Jim the Sunderer]

Hoofy said:

Personally, I daren't drink Diet Coke in public these days.















Unless I do it in slow motion with my t-shirt off.

Ooh la la the Diet Coke's made you into a shift lifter.

[Cheese Mechanic]

Chubsters win, apparently, advert banned it seems .

Thats it then folks, be fit and trim, not acceptable.