Opposite views to PH majority
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ewenm said:
zygalski said:
I just did.
You seriously want me to trawl through recent threads, post quotations of racist banter for you then to say "oh yes everyone posts silly things from time to time".
What's the point?
It's when these views aren't stamped on by the staff here that it's seen as ok to do it. Admin are effectively giving the green light to intolerant extreme right wing views. Mob mentality ensues.
There was a poll recently in N, P&E about who people are going to vote for in the GE & UKIP massively came out on top. In reality they'll be lucky if they return 4 MPs. If that doesn't show how out of step the forum regulars are with society as a whole then nothing will.
What proportion of the membership voted in that poll? I agree the regular posters in NP&E are more likely to have strident views - that's why they are interested in the NP&E sub-forum. I disagree that you can then use that sub-section of the membership to draw a definite conclusion about the majority of PHers.You seriously want me to trawl through recent threads, post quotations of racist banter for you then to say "oh yes everyone posts silly things from time to time".
What's the point?
It's when these views aren't stamped on by the staff here that it's seen as ok to do it. Admin are effectively giving the green light to intolerant extreme right wing views. Mob mentality ensues.
There was a poll recently in N, P&E about who people are going to vote for in the GE & UKIP massively came out on top. In reality they'll be lucky if they return 4 MPs. If that doesn't show how out of step the forum regulars are with society as a whole then nothing will.
Plenty of PHers avoid NP&E because it's full of strident, relatively extreme posters...
I should clarify N, P&E seems to me to be a hotbed of extreme right wingers, not PH in general.
Anyway, must dash. Unlike many PH forum regulars I have a day job.
zygalski said:
I just did.
You seriously want me to trawl through recent threads, post quotations of racist banter for you then to say "oh yes everyone posts silly things from time to time".
What's the point?
It's when these views aren't stamped on by the staff here that it's seen as ok to do it. Admin are effectively giving the green light to intolerant extreme right wing views. Mob mentality ensues.
There was a poll recently in N, P&E about who people are going to vote for in the GE & UKIP massively came out on top. In reality they'll be lucky if they return 4 MPs. If that doesn't show how out of step the forum regulars are with society as a whole then nothing will.
And I'm sure if you did a poll on some environment forum the results will be skewed too. Sadly, as car lovers, we are out of step with society.You seriously want me to trawl through recent threads, post quotations of racist banter for you then to say "oh yes everyone posts silly things from time to time".
What's the point?
It's when these views aren't stamped on by the staff here that it's seen as ok to do it. Admin are effectively giving the green light to intolerant extreme right wing views. Mob mentality ensues.
There was a poll recently in N, P&E about who people are going to vote for in the GE & UKIP massively came out on top. In reality they'll be lucky if they return 4 MPs. If that doesn't show how out of step the forum regulars are with society as a whole then nothing will.
Boydie88 said:
And I'm sure if you did a poll on some environment forum the results will be skewed too. Sadly, as car lovers, we are out of step with society.
but, because pistonheads is so big in the world: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_foru...it puts PH firly in the sights of the media. It only takes a few negative stories to close down a site, and PH does not have the ability to dodge policing geographically/technically like some of the more controversial in this list above.
From another car forum I read;
Car forums tend to attract people with right of centre views. It is what it is.
A significant chunk of the Left doesn't really approve of cars or car enthusiasts. Private car ownership inhibits the provision of socialised transport, leading to inequalities in access to transport. Cars are often seen as status symbols, enabling individuals to flaunt their wealth inequality. For those a red/green bent, the automobile ties into a comforting moral narrative in which the rich are destroying the planet. Essentially, cars are artefacts of individualism, not of collectivism.
Those attitudes have two effects - they reduce the representation of leftish car enthusiasts, and they polarise opinions on the right by creating the feeling that they are seen as the enemy. Add in the correlations between recreational car ownership, household income and political leanings and you get the PH demographic.
Car forums tend to attract people with right of centre views. It is what it is.
A significant chunk of the Left doesn't really approve of cars or car enthusiasts. Private car ownership inhibits the provision of socialised transport, leading to inequalities in access to transport. Cars are often seen as status symbols, enabling individuals to flaunt their wealth inequality. For those a red/green bent, the automobile ties into a comforting moral narrative in which the rich are destroying the planet. Essentially, cars are artefacts of individualism, not of collectivism.
Those attitudes have two effects - they reduce the representation of leftish car enthusiasts, and they polarise opinions on the right by creating the feeling that they are seen as the enemy. Add in the correlations between recreational car ownership, household income and political leanings and you get the PH demographic.
otolith said:
From another car forum I read;
Car forums tend to attract people with right of centre views. It is what it is.
A significant chunk of the Left doesn't really approve of cars or car enthusiasts. Private car ownership inhibits the provision of socialised transport, leading to inequalities in access to transport. Cars are often seen as status symbols, enabling individuals to flaunt their wealth inequality. For those a red/green bent, the automobile ties into a comforting moral narrative in which the rich are destroying the planet. Essentially, cars are artefacts of individualism, not of collectivism.
Those attitudes have two effects - they reduce the representation of leftish car enthusiasts, and they polarise opinions on the right by creating the feeling that they are seen as the enemy. Add in the correlations between recreational car ownership, household income and political leanings and you get the PH demographic.
A car represent individual freedom and responsibility. Car forums tend to attract people with right of centre views. It is what it is.
A significant chunk of the Left doesn't really approve of cars or car enthusiasts. Private car ownership inhibits the provision of socialised transport, leading to inequalities in access to transport. Cars are often seen as status symbols, enabling individuals to flaunt their wealth inequality. For those a red/green bent, the automobile ties into a comforting moral narrative in which the rich are destroying the planet. Essentially, cars are artefacts of individualism, not of collectivism.
Those attitudes have two effects - they reduce the representation of leftish car enthusiasts, and they polarise opinions on the right by creating the feeling that they are seen as the enemy. Add in the correlations between recreational car ownership, household income and political leanings and you get the PH demographic.
zygalski said:
Guam said:
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So come on shine a light on to these Facists and let us know where they hang out
I just did.So come on shine a light on to these Facists and let us know where they hang out
You seriously want me to trawl through recent threads, post quotations of racist banter for you then to say "oh yes everyone posts silly things from time to time".
What's the point?
It's when these views aren't stamped on by the staff here that it's seen as ok to do it. Admin are effectively giving the green light to intolerant extreme right wing views. Mob mentality ensues.
There was a poll recently in N, P&E about who people are going to vote for in the GE & UKIP massively came out on top. In reality they'll be lucky if they return 4 MPs. If that doesn't show how out of step the forum regulars are with society as a whole then nothing will.
WinstonWolf said:
zygalski said:
It's when these views aren't stamped on by the staff here that it's seen as ok to do it.
Go post on the Guardian forum if you find PH so horrid.zygalski said:
If that doesn't show how out of step the forum regulars are with society as a whole then nothing will.
Better to be a thoughtful but metaphorical lemming that stays on the cliff rather than one of the mindless crowd that leaps over the edge just following the pack, with Ed as the lead lemming it's amazing anyone moves at all.TTwiggy said:
Jinx said:
A car represent individual freedom and responsibility.
Not in 2015 it doesn't. And it hasn't done so for years. If you want a form of transport where freedom and personal responsibility are still the prime considerations then you need to get a boat.Lakes and canals don't float my boat.
turbobloke said:
TTwiggy said:
Jinx said:
A car represent individual freedom and responsibility.
Not in 2015 it doesn't. And it hasn't done so for years. If you want a form of transport where freedom and personal responsibility are still the prime considerations then you need to get a boat.Lakes and canals don't float my boat.
zygalski said:
Being anything other than a rabid frothy-mouthed UKIP supporter makes you a communist on PH.
Not quite sure why the N,P&E forum has become a sounding board for fascists, but forum staff should be ashamed of the way their site is headed & the fact that it's so massively out of step with UK society.
Stormfront or PH? Tough choice....
Dear God, have you ever heard of selection or confirmation bias? Has it occured to you that PH isn't populated by some weird 'average' PHer. Each thread is going to bring out those with the most robust views on the subject. Talk about banks or finance and you'll bring out the bankers and financiers. Talk about Islam and you'll surely get a few racists, perceived or other wise. Talk about SME's and you'll bring out the directors and employers. Talk about benefits and you'll bring out those who beleive in a return to workhouses. Talk about the public sector and you'll bring out those who have been failed or victimised by it. Talk about the EU or immigration and you'll bring out the Kippers. That doesn't mean the average NP&E PHer is a racist UKIP bank director whose hatred of muslims is only matched by his contempt for the public sector. Not quite sure why the N,P&E forum has become a sounding board for fascists, but forum staff should be ashamed of the way their site is headed & the fact that it's so massively out of step with UK society.
Stormfront or PH? Tough choice....
Perhaps the reason you don't like it here is that dim-witted comments are given short shrift.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 6th May 17:43
anonymous said:
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You could direct the same question at the other parties as well - in fact a lot of the 'headline' stories were about ex-Tories. And Labour has accepted many ex-BNP candidates. Don't get me started on the Liberals or SNP (have you seen some of the guff from some of their supporters!) Back on topic, I do find PH self-corrects itself - okay you get bashed if you are a lefty but go too far right and plenty of posters will step in.Edited by fido on Wednesday 6th May 18:20
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