Just found out my neighbour is the Green Party candidate...
Discussion
The Greens have a while swathe of policy that I completely agree with, far more so than any other UK party. That's the issues surrounding secularism/humanism, removal of religious privilege and denial of public funding to religious groups for furthering religious agenda.
Barring a few Independents running on a god-bothering ticket the party I'm furthest from on this issue is the Conservatives who I'm most likely to vote for.
That's because, of all the issues out there, this is one I'm prepared to compromise on - I'm fairly certain that a vote Green or Labour (a close second to green on those issues) would do more damage to the country than good.
If you honestly look at all policies of all parties you're likely to find good and bad in all of them.
Barring a few Independents running on a god-bothering ticket the party I'm furthest from on this issue is the Conservatives who I'm most likely to vote for.
That's because, of all the issues out there, this is one I'm prepared to compromise on - I'm fairly certain that a vote Green or Labour (a close second to green on those issues) would do more damage to the country than good.
If you honestly look at all policies of all parties you're likely to find good and bad in all of them.
I think it'd be quite interesting to test a local candidate on their knowledge of their policies. You could simply ask the questions; you don't have to state whether you are happy with the answers or not. In fact, with a neighbour it's probably best not to.
I'd be interested to know what science you "believe" that isn't the view held by the majority of researchers in that field. You're not a creationist are you?
AJS- said:
Nope, just that science isn't something that is done by consensus. It isn't a popularity contest or an episode of X Factor, and no parade of scientists saying one thing or another makes a hypothesis as vast and complex as global warming "settled."
Pardon? Of course science is done by consensus. That's the whole point. Lots of people test the same thing and if they all agree, that's what we think is true until somebody has a better idea, and the whole process starts again.I'd be interested to know what science you "believe" that isn't the view held by the majority of researchers in that field. You're not a creationist are you?
durbster said:
Pardon? Of course science is done by consensus. That's the whole point. Lots of people test the same thing and if they all agree, that's what we think is true until somebody has a better idea, and the whole process starts again.
No it doesn't. It would be more accurate to say it proceeds by scepticism. It's the results of the tests that matter, not whether people agree.AJS- said:
The point I was making, perhaps not very well, is that a so called consensus of interested parties and people calling themselves scientists doesn't make a hypothesis as complex as global warming unequivocally true.
But interested parties and people calling themselves scientists are the ones against AGW. The people actually researching it pretty much all seem to have the same findings as far as I can see. Anyway, this isn't the place for that discussion. 
Dr Jekyll said:
durbster said:
Pardon? Of course science is done by consensus. That's the whole point. Lots of people test the same thing and if they all agree, that's what we think is true until somebody has a better idea, and the whole process starts again.
No it doesn't. It would be more accurate to say it proceeds by scepticism. It's the results of the tests that matter, not whether people agree.Our Green candidate knocked on the door recently, asking if we'll vote for him - it seems he lives a few doors away from us, the OH sent him on his way nicely. He's keeping a low profile as I don't think he even has a 'vote for me' sign on his house 
It might be worth a PH TVR meeting round at ours early one morning
It might be worth a PH TVR meeting round at ours early one morning
If they knock on my door, I will point out that while I am sympathetic to some of their environmental policies, there is no way I'm voting for their massive middle class tax raid.
They want to get rid of the upper bound on NI contributions, thus changing the marginal rate for higher rate tax payers from (40% tax + 2% NI) to (40% tax + 12% NI. For me, the difference between Labour and Green personal taxation plans is hundreds of pounds a month. The difference is even greater compared to the Tory plans to increase the higher rate threshold.
Basically, if you earn more than £42,385, the Greens think you are fair game for a financial raping.
http://www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk/election.php
They want to get rid of the upper bound on NI contributions, thus changing the marginal rate for higher rate tax payers from (40% tax + 2% NI) to (40% tax + 12% NI. For me, the difference between Labour and Green personal taxation plans is hundreds of pounds a month. The difference is even greater compared to the Tory plans to increase the higher rate threshold.
Basically, if you earn more than £42,385, the Greens think you are fair game for a financial raping.
http://www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk/election.php
durbster said:
AJS- said:
The point I was making, perhaps not very well, is that a so called consensus of interested parties and people calling themselves scientists doesn't make a hypothesis as complex as global warming unequivocally true.
But interested parties and people calling themselves scientists are the ones against AGW. The people actually researching it pretty much all seem to have the same findings as far as I can see. Anyway, this isn't the place for that discussion. Dr Jekyll said:
durbster said:
Pardon? Of course science is done by consensus. That's the whole point. Lots of people test the same thing and if they all agree, that's what we think is true until somebody has a better idea, and the whole process starts again.
No it doesn't. It would be more accurate to say it proceeds by skepticism. It's the results of the tests that matter, not whether people agree.As for the Green Party....my sister and her husband are voting for them. Thankfully they live in Edinburgh, so it's unlikely to actually mean anything, but I find it hilarious really. The main reasons for my sister voting for them (as far as I can see) is because she dislikes Cameron and the Conservatives and believes they're just out to make the Rich Richer (yawn) and the Poor Poorer. She says this all the time whilst living in an upmarket area of the city in a 3 bedroom renovated tenement sipping on a expensive coffee and enjoying artisan bread from an upmarket baker. I really like my sister, but her hypocrisy is staggering sometimes. Much like most of the Green Party types.
speedy_thrills said:
SunsetZed said:
Decorate your house like this, hopefully you've got a better car on the drive though...
Actually the car fits in well.Snobby TVR push it again cos its busted heaposhyte!.....
If I had a rover thats probably what id be saying...
otolith said:
durbster said:
otolith said:
No, it's done by repeatable empirical observation - not by opinion poll.
And when repeatable empirical observation produces consistent results, surely you would have a consensus.If in a football match team A scores 12 and team B zero, surely you would have a consensus than team A has won. But that doesn't mean that the result of football matches is decided by consensus.
Just my take on Global warming/Climate change whatever it is called.If the majority of scientist found proof by various test that we affect the climate.
Who am I to disagree? I am not a scientist are these scientist all liars? Maybe the only prove the layman or women can go by some of the illnesses people have.
Asthma not helped by pollution.Cancer maybe all the chemical rubbish we accumulate in our system by the wrong foods.Mentall illnesses caused by to much stress in our modern society.Just a thought on various subjects.>
Who am I to disagree? I am not a scientist are these scientist all liars? Maybe the only prove the layman or women can go by some of the illnesses people have.
Asthma not helped by pollution.Cancer maybe all the chemical rubbish we accumulate in our system by the wrong foods.Mentall illnesses caused by to much stress in our modern society.Just a thought on various subjects.>
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