Who will be the new Labour leader?
Poll: Who will be the new Labour leader?
Total Members Polled: 378
Discussion
NoNeed said:
If recycling losers is the answer they'll be spoilt for choice.turbobloke said:
NoNeed said:
If recycling losers is the answer they'll be spoilt for choice.
REALIST123 said:
Mastodon2 said:
While Jeremy Corbyn now appears to be a shameless anti-semite, despite the protestations of his sycophantic supporters who have yet to justify his lack of support for Israel or his invitations to holocaust-deniers to come to the Houses of Parliament, this blunder from Übermensch is comically damning. With those in power, and those vying for it so feckless, corrupt and dishonest, I can't help but feel this country is more f
ked with every day that passes.
How does having no support for Israel make him anti-Semitic? ked with every day that passes.Does the fact that I think Israel has committed some outrageous acts over the years make me so?
I don't think so.
Whilst Corbyn might not have actually denounced jewry since he is far to politically astute. However he is unquestionably "institutionally anti-Semitic".
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/...
Even Polly Toynbee agrees that Labour can't win with Corbyn as leader, it's a bit of a shock to see a half sensible analysis from her, I usually only read her stuff for a laugh.
Even Polly Toynbee agrees that Labour can't win with Corbyn as leader, it's a bit of a shock to see a half sensible analysis from her, I usually only read her stuff for a laugh.
RYH64E said:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/...
Even Polly Toynbee agrees that Labour can't win with Corbyn as leader, it's a bit of a shock to see a half sensible analysis from her, I usually only read her stuff for a laugh.
Corbyn is going to have to face the reality that comes with being leader. He's caught in a trap of his own making; the EU referendum is a binary question: Even Polly Toynbee agrees that Labour can't win with Corbyn as leader, it's a bit of a shock to see a half sensible analysis from her, I usually only read her stuff for a laugh.
Vote No and align Labour with UKIP.
Or vote Yes with the Tories and sign up to the (hated by the Left) TTIP.
Oh this is going to be good!
RYH64E said:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/...
Even Polly Toynbee agrees that Labour can't win with Corbyn as leader, it's a bit of a shock to see a half sensible analysis from her, I usually only read her stuff for a laugh.
Now then Polly, think carefully...Even Polly Toynbee agrees that Labour can't win with Corbyn as leader, it's a bit of a shock to see a half sensible analysis from her, I usually only read her stuff for a laugh.
Polly said:
(list of Corbyn policies...) Who disagrees with all of that? But if being right was all it took to win elections, the Tories wouldn’t be in power.
Polly said:
Read this research and tear your hair out with frustration – but you can’t block your ears. Our shameful electoral system denies the right to vote for a clear leftwing party with any hope of holding power.
Isn't that just democracy working as it should?Johnnytheboy said:
RYH64E said:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/...
Even Polly Toynbee agrees that Labour can't win with Corbyn as leader, it's a bit of a shock to see a half sensible analysis from her, I usually only read her stuff for a laugh.
Now then Polly, think carefully...Even Polly Toynbee agrees that Labour can't win with Corbyn as leader, it's a bit of a shock to see a half sensible analysis from her, I usually only read her stuff for a laugh.
Polly said:
(list of Corbyn policies...) Who disagrees with all of that? But if being right was all it took to win elections, the Tories wouldn’t be in power.
Polly said:
Read this research and tear your hair out with frustration – but you can’t block your ears. Our shameful electoral system denies the right to vote for a clear leftwing party with any hope of holding power.
Isn't that just democracy working as it should?
I must have missed Polly's pining between 1997-2010.
Polly said:
But if being right was all it took to win elections, the Tories wouldn’t be in power.
Another sore loser still sore.
Ah, yes, the lovely Dolly Loynpee...I was wondering when she was going to unleash herself on us. Been uncannily quiet so far. Must have been spending her time agonising over an explanation for the refusal of mother nature to warm up the planet, when dear old Dolly absolutely knows that we're responsible for global warming. That isn't happening.
A liebour aparachnik, who sounded like a 12 year old, was just on BBC2 talking about checking the voting papers for fraud, or any irregular votes from torie supporters, sounds like we are being readied for the vote to be rigged to achieve the correct outcome !!!! I think they have managed to trump both Foots and the Welsh wind bags past comedic efforts!!!!
Was it just me who was slightly perturbed that the only Mayoral candidate to get their own A4 leaflet in the voting packs was...... Tessa Jowell?
There was a booklet that had a brief summary of each candidate and then one clear cut (obviously to me) flyer that screamed 'this is the one to vote for'!
I was genuinely slightly taken by surprise and a little uneasy.
Interesting few days ahead!
There was a booklet that had a brief summary of each candidate and then one clear cut (obviously to me) flyer that screamed 'this is the one to vote for'!
I was genuinely slightly taken by surprise and a little uneasy.
Interesting few days ahead!
Andy Zarse said:
RYH64E said:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/...
Even Polly Toynbee agrees that Labour can't win with Corbyn as leader, it's a bit of a shock to see a half sensible analysis from her, I usually only read her stuff for a laugh.
Corbyn is going to have to face the reality that comes with being leader. He's caught in a trap of his own making; the EU referendum is a binary question: Even Polly Toynbee agrees that Labour can't win with Corbyn as leader, it's a bit of a shock to see a half sensible analysis from her, I usually only read her stuff for a laugh.
Vote No and align Labour with UKIP.
Or vote Yes with the Tories and sign up to the (hated by the Left) TTIP.
Oh this is going to be good!
A Corbyn led labour party is as likely to sign up to TTIP as I am to vote Tory.
I'm going to see him speak this weekend. I'm afraid that the other 3 candidates have been pretty dismal so far. Burnham was good in person, but is blindly pro-EU and pro Trident.
number 46 said:
A liebour aparachnik, who sounded like a 12 year old, was just on BBC2 talking about checking the voting papers for fraud, or any irregular votes from torie supporters, sounds like we are being readied for the vote to be rigged to achieve the correct outcome !!!! I think they have managed to trump both Foots and the Welsh wind bags past comedic efforts!!!!
Yep, I thought it was a bit odd when they mentioned a specific figure though " as many as 3500"......I thought pre the race Labour has @250k members since when another @350k have joined......so if 99% of the joiners are valid it hardly seems likely they will influence the result given the size of Corbyns lead. They'll wait to see many votes Corbyn wins by before announcing how many voters are to be disqualified.
Those on the left aren't great fans of democracy when it delivers what they see as the wrong result, see Polly Toynbee whingeing about our unfair voting system and countless demonstrations when our elected government implement their manifesto policies.
Those on the left aren't great fans of democracy when it delivers what they see as the wrong result, see Polly Toynbee whingeing about our unfair voting system and countless demonstrations when our elected government implement their manifesto policies.
Timmy40 said:
Yep, I thought it was a bit odd when they mentioned a specific figure though " as many as 3500"......I thought pre the race Labour has @250k members since when another @350k have joined......so if 99% of the joiners are valid it hardly seems likely they will influence the result given the size of Corbyns lead.
Just because they haven't identified people doesn't mean that they're necessarily fully signed up to the aims and objectives of the Labour Party. 100% of Tory supporters I know who signed up have not (yet) been kicked out- not a statistically valid sample but enough to demonstrate that some are slipping through the net.A wider problem, and one I don't think they can address, seems to me that anecdotally people who are of a hard left persuasion seem culturally more inclined to be activists, sign up to petitions, protest etc. Therefore it wouldn't be surprising that the largest portion of new joiners are inclined to support Corbyn, taking the leadership electorate quite a way from Labour's core support. A hard lesson learned perhaps.
Anybody been following the nonsense about women only carriages? If you look at what he actually said versus th narrative that emerged almost immediately it's quite a good indication of the treatment he can expect when elected. Something doesn't have to be accurate, just sufficiently lunatic to be plausible, and it's a stick with which he's beaten.
Andy Zarse said:
Slaav said:
Was it just me who was slightly perturbed that the only Mayoral candidate to get their own A4 leaflet in the voting packs was...... Tessa Jowell?
Probably yes, I don't think anyone else on PH is a member of the Labour Party.It must be ghastly for you!
basherX said:
Just because they haven't identified people doesn't mean that they're necessarily fully signed up to the aims and objectives of the Labour Party.
Does anyone know what those are? In the last election, I couldn't discern a strong ideological standpoint (from any of the red/blue/yellow parties). Now it seems the red party are struggling internally with whether they need a strong (left) ideology or continue the middle-ground behaviour of the main 3.basherX said:
Anybody been following the nonsense about women only carriages? If you look at what he actually said versus th narrative that emerged almost immediately it's quite a good indication of the treatment he can expect when elected. Something doesn't have to be accurate, just sufficiently lunatic to be plausible, and it's a stick with which he's beaten.
So what did he actually say, and how is it taken out of context?His suggestion is quite clearly that he would "consult with women" (though with which ones he does not say) on women only carriages. Corblimey clearly thinks they are a good idea, but has quite rightly been condemned as wrong by both Left and Right alike.
And now you're all "poor old Jeremey has been taken out of context"... Sorry I don't buy it!
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