Who will be the new Labour leader?

[mybrainhurts]

CorbynFTW said:

HELLO COMRADE!

That's fake. Can't be Prescott, it's coherent....

[davepoth]

Andy Zarse said:

Bin Laden was an enemy combatant in an ongoing war. Why should he get a trial? The point of a war is to kill the enemy. Killing him was perfectly legal under international law.

The point of a war is rarely to kill people - the best wars are the ones where nobody dies at all but the objective (usually to gain territory) is fulfilled.

The question really is whether he would be less of a terror risk as a martyr or as a convict. The US plainly believed that giving him his day in court would have been counter-productive.

[Crush]

mybrainhurts said:

Holy cow...he eats small children..

I thought he was breastfeeding........ Odd way of reversing the milk policy

[dubloon]

What's needed is a new conservative secret weapon to step into Milliband's shoes. Looks like they might get one.

[Andy Zarse]

davepoth said:

Andy Zarse said:

Bin Laden was an enemy combatant in an ongoing war. Why should he get a trial? The point of a war is to kill the enemy. Killing him was perfectly legal under international law.

The point of a war is rarely to kill people - the best wars are the ones where nobody dies at all but the objective (usually to gain territory) is fulfilled.

The question really is whether he would be less of a terror risk as a martyr or as a convict. The US plainly believed that giving him his day in court would have been counter-productive.

You make a fair point in the general sense of war; I should have said one of the main points of war is to destroy your enemy's leadership. By killing them. For example, had the allies been able to locate Hitler in 1939 then they clearly would have dropped a bomb on him, had they the opportunity to do so.

So yes, I agree Obama could legally either have had OBL arrested and brought for trial, or eliminated. He chose the latter.

[Halb]

Anyone watching C4 news?

Bag of dirty weasels, Burnham especially. The only one speaking honestly it seems is Corbyn.
Christ listening to the other three makes me itch, just a bunch of sound-bite speakers.

[Mermaid]

Halb said:

Anyone watching C4 news?

Bag of dirty weasels, Burnham especially. The only one speaking honestly it seems is Corbyn.
Christ listening to the other three makes me itch, just a bunch of sound-bite speakers.

Need a "Kanye West" in that election/debate

[otolith]

Crush said:

mybrainhurts said:

Holy cow...he eats small children..

I thought he was breastfeeding........ Odd way of reversing the milk policy

As is his right as a man - not having functional mammary glands he can't actually lactate, which is nobody's fault, not even the Tories', but he has the right to breastfeed.

[Joey Ramone]

otolith said:

As is his right as a man - not having functional mammary glands he can't actually lactate, which is nobody's fault, not even the Tories', but he has the right to breastfeed.

You can milk anything with nipples.

[Halb]

FFS at last! We had 5 minutes of real discussion over QE with COrbyn and Yvette....and then it's back to, 'why do you all hate, Corbyn.'....

jesus fking titty h christ ona bicycle stick.

[hidetheelephants]

Halb said:

Anyone watching C4 news?

Bag of dirty weasels, Burnham especially. The only one speaking honestly it seems is Corbyn.
Christ listening to the other three makes me itch, just a bunch of sound-bite speakers.

The lot of them, Corbyn included, are entirely without a clue; the four sat and circle-jerked about how terrible it was that the conservatives eat babies and how when they are prime minister there will be milk and honey for all(I may be paraphrasing).

A particular low point was when they moaned about how terrible unregulated private housing was and evil rachmanite tycoons were getting rich from the proletariat and how rent control will magically solve everything, then without any apparent irony or recognition of the contradiction bleated about how the benefits cap, which is rent control by proxy, was evil and should be abolished. They also got their knickers in a twist over direct payment of housing benefit to landlords for no reason I can discern.

[anonymous-user]

Yvette Cooper looks like she is having her testicles squeezed

[MGJohn]

With one exception, and even he was a loser on May 8th, across all the parties, not a single one of any of the Politicians currently involved with the well being of my Country whether in Government or shadows of their former shadows, inspire much, nay, any confidence.

Prior to May 8th, I had some little respect for Cameron but, since then, he has done precious little, nay nothing to change my mind. Correction, he has eroded what little confidence I had in him previously. Am I the only one who sees things this way?

Talk about the least worst of a poor range of choices.

Maybe I am. Probably a sign ... that I'm getting older .... and wiser.

One thing is a certainty, no matter what way the IN-OUT Referendum is worded, it is going to take some miracle to make me change my mindset on how I will vote when the time comes.

We are doomed.

[glazbagun]

MGJohn said:

We are doomed.

Pretty much my feelings. Stay in the EU and suffer whatever economic open bordered corrupt mess we end up chained to. Leave the EU and suffer whatever mess News Corp, the Conservatives & SNP can create amongst themselves for their mutual gain.

[Foppo]

The Vambo said:

Welshbeef said:

The Vambo said:

Welshbeef said:

Thing is to win ever again in Scotland they need to be much more left wing

Lot of nonsense.

Labour have to be credible party with a clear precise message long before how many degrees left of centre matters to Scottish voters.

They didn't have much of a problem going straight from the (comparatively) right leaning John smith to the very right leaning Blair. They couldn't vote them in quick enough.

Ideology had bugger all to do with Labours catastrophe last night.

That's the key point - Blair took labour to centre ground from there onwards labour was on a downward flow as SNP filled the left wing gap.

What are you on about?

You seen desperate to ignore how much of an effect the perceived lack of capability and trustworthiness has on voters.

Labour could have gone with a communist manifesto and would still have had a disaster because the are a party of buffoons and everyone knows it.

And The Tories have the answer according to you? A few buffoons in that party they got in on a minority vote.The voters don't trust any politician that is why so many don't vote.

[turbobloke]

Foppo said:

The Vambo said:

Welshbeef said:

The Vambo said:

Welshbeef said:

Thing is to win ever again in Scotland they need to be much more left wing

Lot of nonsense.

Labour have to be credible party with a clear precise message long before how many degrees left of centre matters to Scottish voters.

They didn't have much of a problem going straight from the (comparatively) right leaning John smith to the very right leaning Blair. They couldn't vote them in quick enough.

Ideology had bugger all to do with Labours catastrophe last night.

That's the key point - Blair took labour to centre ground from there onwards labour was on a downward flow as SNP filled the left wing gap.

What are you on about?

You seen desperate to ignore how much of an effect the perceived lack of capability and trustworthiness has on voters.

Labour could have gone with a communist manifesto and would still have had a disaster because the are a party of buffoons and everyone knows it.

And The Tories have the answer according to you? A few buffoons in that party they got in on a minority vote.

Any political Party needs a majority in the Commons to 'get in' which, in the past, is how Labour got in. The rest is irrelevant.

There are a few buffoons in that Party but also fewer.

[Foppo]

Our election system is a farce and it is relevant the way a country is run.Proper proportional representation means you represent the whole of society.

I still don't understand why voting is not compulsory people died for this right.The politics of left and right is dying and outdated.You could put a sig paper between Labour and Conservative there is no difference.

[Einion Yrth]

Foppo said:

I still don't understand why voting is not compulsory people died for this right

Some people died for the right to abstain. Forcing people to vote would not result in a more informed choice, merely people doing the bare minimum to avoid being fined. It's a ghastly illiberal idea typical of the statist left.

[turbobloke]

Foppo said:

...You could put a sig paper between Labour and Conservative there is no difference...

At least until that ultra-right wing Labour chap J Corbyn is elected as Labour's loss leader

[cirian75]

techiedave said:

Yvette Cooper looks like she is having her testicles squeezed

That might explain a great deal about her