Who will be the new Labour leader?

[edh]

Andy Zarse said:

There used to be plenty of "right wing comedians" but the intolerant left had them all banned off the telly as "racists". We are only now allowed to see left wing so-called comedians, such the hilarious Marcus Brigstock and some of the other ones on Mock the Week. Seems "celebrating diversity" doesn't stretch to other political points of view.

You are also banned from going to their live shows, buying a DVD, watching Youtube etc..

Someone else you'll hate... http://www.stewartlee.co.uk/written-for-money/wher...

Celebrate whatever you like..

[Alex]

Andy Zarse said:

There used to be plenty of "right wing comedians" but the intolerant left had them all banned off the telly as "racists". We are only now allowed to see left wing so-called comedians, such the hilarious Marcus Brigstock and some of the other ones on Mock the Week. Seems "celebrating diversity" doesn't stretch to other political points of view.

This is why we don't see Lee Hurst on TV anymore.

[Andy Zarse]

edh said:

You are also banned from going to their live shows, buying a DVD, watching Youtube etc..

Someone else you'll hate... http://www.stewartlee.co.uk/written-for-money/wher...

Celebrate whatever you like..

Stewart Lee is a member of the Socialist Workers Party - ironically and hilariously - was banned from voting in the Labour election as he actively campaigned against Labour. I guess, according to colonel c he must be a too. All I kow about him is he's smug smarmy and self-obsessed.

That said, it's easy to answer his question; Lee and his ilk hounded "right wing stand-ups" (or as I prefer to call them, ordinary people) out of town. It's what the left do best, bullying others.

Edited by Andy Zarse on Tuesday 8th September 13:16

[Blib]

I half remember a radio conversation from years ago which discussed the dearth of "right-leaning" comedians in popular culture. IIRC, the jist of the argument was that they usually side with the status quo and that humour comes from challenging those mores.

I'm not sure whether I agree with that fully. But, I'll leave it here nonetheless.

[edh]

Alex said:

Andy Zarse said:

There used to be plenty of "right wing comedians" but the intolerant left had them all banned off the telly as "racists". We are only now allowed to see left wing so-called comedians, such the hilarious Marcus Brigstock and some of the other ones on Mock the Week. Seems "celebrating diversity" doesn't stretch to other political points of view.

This is why we don't see Lee Hurst on TV anymore.

or not?

"In 2000, Lee decided to semi-retire and concentrate on running his comedy venue, the Backyard Comedy Club, acting as resident compere. In 2010, Lee closed this club and razed it to the ground. In its place Lee is developing a seven storey hotel, on the ground floor of which will be a bar and the new Backyard Comedy Club."

http://www.leehurst.com/biography.html

I think he also had some serious health problems. Looks like he's back touring now, I don't remember him being right wing when I saw him live, years ago, but his twitter feed would suggest he has some strong views that many on here would approve of. Not likely to be asked onto Newsnight, but is he still funny?

[edh]

Andy Zarse said:

That said, it's easy to answer his question; Lee and his ilk hounded "right wing stand-ups" (or as I prefer to call them, ordinary people) out of town. It's what the left do best, bullying others.

Edited by Andy Zarse on Tuesday 8th September 13:16

Can't be an easy life for you when you have to live in a country dominated by a leftist conspiracy to silence "ordinary people"
You're the one on here throwing the insults around though

[Andy Zarse]

edh said:

Andy Zarse said:

That said, it's easy to answer his question; Lee and his ilk hounded "right wing stand-ups" (or as I prefer to call them, ordinary people) out of town. It's what the left do best, bullying others.

Edited by Andy Zarse on Tuesday 8th September 13:16

Can't be an easy life for you when you have to live in a country dominated by a leftist conspiracy to silence "ordinary people"
You're the one on here throwing the insults around though

So you don't think one of the primary purposes of the 1908's alternative comedy movement was to drive out the old mother-in-law/Irish joke tellers? It was not a conspiracy; they said they were going to do it and then did it. It's a matter of fact.

Insults? No I don't think so. Maybe some descriptors you object to, but no insults. But see a page or so back, the bit where I said you were too pooh-faced.

[mybrainhurts]

edh said:

Andy Zarse said:

That said, it's easy to answer his question; Lee and his ilk hounded "right wing stand-ups" (or as I prefer to call them, ordinary people) out of town. It's what the left do best, bullying others.

Edited by Andy Zarse on Tuesday 8th September 13:16

Can't be an easy life for you when you have to live in a country dominated by a leftist conspiracy to silence "ordinary people"
You're the one on here throwing the insults around though

Lee seems a bit of a insult magnet himself.

From his website...behold

beginning of a long list said:

“Stewart Lee is not funny and has nothing to say”, James Dellingpole, Daily Telegraph

“A cultural bully from the Oxbridge Mafia who wants to appear morally superior but couldn’t cut the mustard on a panel game.”
Lee Mack, Mack The Life, 2012

“A sneering tosser.” Rowing Rob, Guardian.co.uk

“Smug elitist liberalism. Who is this ?” Tokyofist, Youtube

“I hate Stewart Lee with a passion. He’s like Ian Huntley to me.” Wharto15, Twitter

“Stuart Lee = Cock.” Brendon, Vauxhallownersnetwork.co.uk

“Stewart Lee is a massive asshole.” Secretdeveloper, Youtube

“I saw him at a gig once, and even offstage he was exuding an aura of creepy molesty smugness.” Yukio Mishima, dontstartmeoff.com

“I used to think stewart lee was quite good, then i spoke to him at edinburgh festival. Arse doesn’t cover it. Ah well.” Bobby Bhoy, Twitter

“Stewart Lee. Boring as hell and unfunny.” Peter Ould, Twitter

“Five minutes of Stewart Lee makes me want to kill myself . Completely unfunny, dated, painful st.” Anon, westhamonline.com

“One man I would love to beat with a st covered cricket bat.” Joycey, readytogo.net

“The most overrated smug tt ever.” Syhr, breakbeat.co.uk

“A small, sad man.” FBC, finalgear.com

“Stewart lee is a st comedian doing a st impression of a st comedian. If he was burned alive it could raise serious cash.” Mrdavisn01, Twitter

“I hope stewart lee dies.” Idrie, Youtube

“fk this Stewart Lee tt, fk anyone that agrees with him, and fk PC.” Mearecate, Youtube

“3rd rate comedian and politically correct maggot.” Anonymous, The Northfield Patriot

“All this man seems to be able to do is dance about going “ah ha ha ha ha ha!’ So incredibly unfunny.” Emilyistrendy, Youtube

“Is Stewart Lee supposed to be funny? Because he’s really not.” Keilloh, Twitter

“Lee was a good comic. Unfortunately now he comes across as a chaotic drunk.” Foxfoxton, Youtube

The list goes on....

[Andy Zarse]

Fantastic! So colonelc was right, he is a !

[crankedup]

hidetheelephants said:

edh said:

• social justice
• strong community and strong values
• reward for hard work
• decency
• rights matched by responsibilities

These are not policies, they are wishes(particularly bland wishes at that) expressed without the burden of having to do the dull work of devising a means of delivery.

Agreed, they are wishes, but more importantly they are the bedrock of a civilised Society, something Government, whichever colour, should pursue through policy commitments. These commitments are not of the flavour of introducing sudden change but an ongoing goal.

[rohrl]

Andy Zarse said:

Stewart Lee is a member of the Socialist Workers Party

Is Stewart Lee a member of the SWP? I've searched online and I can't find any evidence for this. Could you provide a link to where you heard this please?

Andy Zarse said:

- ironically and hilariously - was banned from voting in the Labour election as he actively campaigned against Labour.

As far as the Labour vote thing goes I read something about this happening to Jeremy Hardy. Could you again provide a link that supports this having happened to Stewart Lee please?

[turbobloke]

crankedup said:

hidetheelephants said:

edh said:

• social justice
• strong community and strong values
• reward for hard work
• decency
• rights matched by responsibilities

These are not policies, they are wishes(particularly bland wishes at that) expressed without the burden of having to do the dull work of devising a means of delivery.

Agreed, they are wishes, but more importantly they are the bedrock of a civilised Society, something Government, whichever colour, should pursue through policy commitments. These commitments are not of the flavour of introducing sudden change but an ongoing goal.

What precisely is Social Justice and then once defined how is it to be achieved?

Also how is Social Justice any better than Justice? Why add 'Social' except to claim some bogus political ownership?

[Gargamel]

turbobloke said:

What precisely is Social Justice and then once defined how is it to be achieved?

Also how is Social Justice any better than Justice? Why add 'Social' except to claim some bogus political ownership?

Social Justice as opposed to Criminal, no one is yet suggesting being Socialist is a crime.


I think Social Justice is things like destroying the Grammar School system to ensure that only rich people can access the best education for their Children (such as Dianne Abbot for example)

[edh]

Andy Zarse said:

Insults? No I don't think so. Maybe some descriptors you object to, but no insults. But see a page or so back, the bit where I said you were too pooh-faced.

You struggle to include Corbyn in a sentence without some sort of insulting or disparaging comment. Seems almost personal.

I think you mean po-faced btw

[turbobloke]

Gargamel said:

turbobloke said:

What precisely is Social Justice and then once defined how is it to be achieved?

Also how is Social Justice any better than Justice? Why add 'Social' except to claim some bogus political ownership?

Social Justice as opposed to Criminal, no one is yet suggesting being Socialist is a crime.

It still seems to me that Justice in all its forms encompasses...justice in all its forms, so there's no need for extra trimmings and synthetic labels.

Gargamel said:

I think Social Justice is things like destroying the Grammar School system to ensure that only rich people can access the best education for their Children (such as Dianne Abbot for example).

And a certain A Blair; yes I think you're "on the money" there.

[Andy Zarse]

rohrl said:

Andy Zarse said:

Stewart Lee is a member of the Socialist Workers Party

Is Stewart Lee a member of the SWP? I've searched online and I can't find any evidence for this. Could you provide a link to where you heard this please?

Andy Zarse said:

- ironically and hilariously - was banned from voting in the Labour election as he actively campaigned against Labour.

As far as the Labour vote thing goes I read something about this happening to Jeremy Hardy. Could you again provide a link that supports this having happened to Stewart Lee please?

I honestly cannot be bothered, I read it about three weeks ago, IIRC from Dan Hodges the Labour blogger. Still you can apply Occam's Razor, it sounds perfectly plausible doesn't it.

[edh]

Gargamel said:

turbobloke said:

What precisely is Social Justice and then once defined how is it to be achieved?

Also how is Social Justice any better than Justice? Why add 'Social' except to claim some bogus political ownership?

Social Justice as opposed to Criminal, no one is yet suggesting being Socialist is a crime.


I think Social Justice is things like destroying the Grammar School system to ensure that only rich people can access the best education for their Children (such as Dianne Abbot for example)

ooh irony!

How about access to the Law? Disappearing fast under this government unless you have plenty of money

As for grammar schools - I guess you can always go & live in Kent?
Comprehensive state schools can produce great results - look at the London Challenge for evidence. (Not sure that Kent is outperforming the rest of the UK? London is).

Maybe they are talking about equality of access and opportunity? Access to a good local school and healthcare perhaps? Why don't they say it?

As it stands, the phrase is vacuous and the Tories could equally well adopt it.

[rohrl]

Andy Zarse said:

I honestly cannot be bothered, I read it about three weeks ago, IIRC from Dan Hodges the Labour blogger. Still you can apply Occam's Razor, it sounds perfectly plausible doesn't it.

After some fruitless effort to find any evidence of what you posted I'll have to conclude that you have either got Stewart Lee mixed up with Jeremy Hardy or you've just made it all up.

[Andy Zarse]

rohrl said:

Andy Zarse said:

I honestly cannot be bothered, I read it about three weeks ago, IIRC from Dan Hodges the Labour blogger. Still you can apply Occam's Razor, it sounds perfectly plausible doesn't it.

After some fruitless effort to find any evidence of what you posted I'll have to conclude that you have either got Stewart Lee mixed up with Jeremy Hardy or you've just made it all up.

I couldn't care less what you think.

[turbobloke]

edh said:

Maybe they are talking about equality of access and opportunity? Access to a good local school and healthcare perhaps? Why don't they say it?

As it stands, the phrase is vacuous and the Tories could equally well adopt it.

Certainly, but prefixing the term 'social' is clearly intended to allude to and conjure up the slightly longer term social-ism, no matter how strenuously it might be claimed otherwise (or strenuously accepted!).

The same trick has been applied to several synthetic labels where the root was already adequate in covering all bases...social security, social protection, social exclusion, indeed social almost anything.

The only innocent at this party of the guilty appears to be social media, which surprisingly enough is apolitical.

At least a couple of terms have arisen or been redefined by supranational big government outfits such as the EU and UN. Not a good pedigree.