Who will be the new Labour leader?

[Stickyfinger]

TankRizzo said:

Diane Abbott is Communities Secretary

the same woman who once said this:

Even the dumbest racist simpleton could think up 100 alternatives to their normal faulty way of thinking if asked "why is Abbot not suitable for any government position ?"

[gothatway]

TankRizzo said:

Diane Abbott is Communities Secretary

Now that is the worst news so far from this debacle. Am I alone in not only despising that woman's politics but also finding her attitude and demeanour to be incredibly patronising ?

[Stickyfinger]

Even if he is mad as a hatter, I did think Corbyn had some level of education and inelegance....I would not give that woman a lollop to suck let alone a fking Job !

Jezza really is a total tt if that is his reality and level.

[FourWheelDrift]

Stickyfinger said:

Even if he is mad as a hatter, I did think Corbyn had some level of education and inelegance....I would not give that woman a lollop to suck let alone a fking Job !

Jezza really is a total tt if that is his reality and level.

There was no one else left after he appointed the tea lady as Shadow Minister of Justice.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

edh said:

turbobloke said:

Claims that it's mere coincidence are also highly debatable. The Labour core vote does indeed rest now around the former coalfields and the London communist borough republics. There may never be logical proof but the case is well enough made for 'balance of probabilitites' to apply. Combined with upcoming boundary changes, Corbyn's challenge is immense and a red letter day in 2020 is most unlikely.

Still don't buy it..

No coalfields in Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds/Bradford for example, although some in Lancs in between Manchester & Liverpool. Yorkshire coalfields to the East & South of Leeds/Bradford I think.

What about Bradford Colliery, Forge Lane, Bradford and the Roger mine, central Manchester? Apparently the Bradford coal seam was part of the Manchester coalfield. There were and are mines in those areas operating and closing over the years including those with shafts both nearby and away from the overground locations mentioned. Some schools being rebuilt in those areas within the disrupted BSF programme had to have special treatment due to being located over historical mines.

Even so the agreement doesn't have to offer perfection to exist. I did take the obvious step of adding the communist London borough republics, in so doing I acknowledged already that the agreement is good but not perfect.

edh said:

Agree that winning in 2020 will be very tough, particularly with the changes to electoral roll & fiddling with constituencies.

Indeed, I was born and grew up in higher openshaw, Manchester (2 streets from Howard out of take that ), Manchester steel works was just to my west, the coal pits were just to my east. There were trains that ran across the main road between Ashton Under Lyne and Manchester that took the coal and steel between the massive steel works sites. My neibours were striking minors during the minors strike. Manchester was very much a coal and heavy industry city during my early years (I'm 50 this year). At the time I was leaving school the whole lot was being shut down or had already gone.

[dandarez]

gothatway said:

TankRizzo said:

Diane Abbott is Communities Secretary

Now that is the worst news so far from this debacle. Am I alone in not only despising that woman's politics but also finding her attitude and demeanour to be incredibly patronising ?

Link please to prove Corbyn has given Abbott a job.

[dandarez]

jsf said:

turbobloke said:

edh said:

turbobloke said:

Claims that it's mere coincidence are also highly debatable. The Labour core vote does indeed rest now around the former coalfields and the London communist borough republics. There may never be logical proof but the case is well enough made for 'balance of probabilitites' to apply. Combined with upcoming boundary changes, Corbyn's challenge is immense and a red letter day in 2020 is most unlikely.

Still don't buy it..

No coalfields in Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds/Bradford for example, although some in Lancs in between Manchester & Liverpool. Yorkshire coalfields to the East & South of Leeds/Bradford I think.

What about Bradford Colliery, Forge Lane, Bradford and the Roger mine, central Manchester? Apparently the Bradford coal seam was part of the Manchester coalfield. There were and are mines in those areas operating and closing over the years including those with shafts both nearby and away from the overground locations mentioned. Some schools being rebuilt in those areas within the disrupted BSF programme had to have special treatment due to being located over historical mines.

Even so the agreement doesn't have to offer perfection to exist. I did take the obvious step of adding the communist London borough republics, in so doing I acknowledged already that the agreement is good but not perfect.

edh said:

Agree that winning in 2020 will be very tough, particularly with the changes to electoral roll & fiddling with constituencies.

Indeed, I was born and grew up in higher openshaw, Manchester (2 streets from Howard out of take that ), Manchester steel works was just to my west, the coal pits were just to my east. There were trains that ran across the main road between Ashton Under Lyne and Manchester that took the coal and steel between the massive steel works sites. My neibours were striking minors during the minors strike. Manchester was very much a coal and heavy industry city during my early years (I'm 50 this year). At the time I was leaving school the whole lot was being shut down or had already gone.

Chrise, that spelling!

I know kids once went down the mines, but not at that point in time.

[anonymous-user]

dandarez said:

Link please to prove Corbyn has given Abbott a job.

http://order-order.com/2015/09/13/corbyns-shadow-cabinet/#:gKARmDpm2wpQuA

[anonymous-user]

dandarez said:

Chrise, that spelling!

I know kids once went down the mines, but not at that point in time.

Think I need to get some kip. But who is Chrise????

[anonymous-user]

jsf said:

dandarez said:

Link please to prove Corbyn has given Abbott a job.

http://order-order.com/2015/09/13/corbyns-shadow-cabinet/#:gKARmDpm2wpQuA

Seems to the case. Par for the course maybe given Corbyn's predilection for the unsavoury?

[anonymous-user]

jsf said:

dandarez said:

Link please to prove Corbyn has given Abbott a job.

http://order-order.com/2015/09/13/corbyns-shadow-cabinet/#:gKARmDpm2wpQuA

BBC are listing :
◾Diane Abbott shadow minister for international development


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34240869

[cirian75]

It would be interesting to see what the result would have been minus the £3 voters

[covmutley]

I think the choice of shadow chancellor is very significant and I give corbyn 6 months to a year tops. Replacements? If they could change Chukka's mind then maybe, or D Milliband who can of course distance himself from all this

[turbobloke]

REALIST123 said:

jsf said:

dandarez said:

Link please to prove Corbyn has given Abbott a job.

http://order-order.com/2015/09/13/corbyns-shadow-cabinet/#:gKARmDpm2wpQuA

Seems to the case. Par for the course maybe given Corbyn's predilection for the unsavoury?

And that he will be feeling the usual Labour Party pressure to give jobs to every variant of the human condition on the basis of quotas rather than ability to do the job, which would go down well if business did the same. It's politics not just Labour of course but they do this so well.

Everyone else appointing to top level jobs publishes JDs and PSs and holds interviews alongside use of other selection instruments. Picking people other than from evidence around selection criteria i.e. trying as hard as you can to see who's the best at doing the job is essentially setting out to ensure that a decent measure of incompetence is harnessed - that's politics.

[VolvoT5]

CorbynFTW said:

Burnham = Home Sec

H Benn = Foreign Sec

Burnham has lost any remaining self-respect I think........ the guy is clearly desperate for power.

I think Corbyn is going to be attacked now for not having one single woman in a top end job..... although in fairness his problem may have been that all the women capable of a top line job refused to serve rather than him refusing to offer..... but either way it appears like he has given the women junior jobs only.

And John McDonnell as shadow treasury..... not a conciliatory appointment at all and bound to backfire with the amount of "controversial" quotes the media can dig up on him over the years.

[VolvoT5]

cirian75 said:

It would be interesting to see what the result would have been minus the £3 voters

He still would have won but with a less convincing margin. He smashed the vote in all categories - full members, affiliated and £3 registered supporters. That is the main reason it will be so hard for them to get rid of him quickly. They will have to wait it out.

Can you imagine if he decides to campaign for an out vote on the EU referendum? - The whole political establishment on all sides will go into melt down.

http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/results-of-the...

[0000]

I've hardly seen David Miliband for years. The Monday after Corbyn's elected he's on GMTV.

[williamp]

VolvoT5 said:

CorbynFTW said:

Burnham = Home Sec

H Benn = Foreign Sec

Burnham has lost any remaining self-respect I think........ the guy is clearly desperate for power.

I think Corbyn is going to be attacked now for not having one single woman in a top end job..... although in fairness his problem may have been that all the women capable of a top line job refused to serve rather than him refusing to offer..... but either way it appears like he has given the women junior jobs only.

And John McDonnell as shadow treasury..... not a conciliatory appointment at all and bound to backfire with the amount of "controversial" quotes the media can dig up on him over the years.

Thank you brother Volvo. Dont forget that our comrades in labour had three votes for power over the weekend. All three taken by men. Women came 3rd and last in the leadership election.

[TankRizzo]

techiedave said:

BBC are listing :
?Diane Abbott shadow minister for international development


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34240869

Sorry, the communities thing was straight off the Sky News live feed so they must have ballsed it up.

[Digga]

dandarez said:

jsf said:

turbobloke said:

edh said:

turbobloke said:

Claims that it's mere coincidence are also highly debatable. The Labour core vote does indeed rest now around the former coalfields and the London communist borough republics. There may never be logical proof but the case is well enough made for 'balance of probabilitites' to apply. Combined with upcoming boundary changes, Corbyn's challenge is immense and a red letter day in 2020 is most unlikely.

Still don't buy it..

No coalfields in Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds/Bradford for example, although some in Lancs in between Manchester & Liverpool. Yorkshire coalfields to the East & South of Leeds/Bradford I think.

What about Bradford Colliery, Forge Lane, Bradford and the Roger mine, central Manchester? Apparently the Bradford coal seam was part of the Manchester coalfield. There were and are mines in those areas operating and closing over the years including those with shafts both nearby and away from the overground locations mentioned. Some schools being rebuilt in those areas within the disrupted BSF programme had to have special treatment due to being located over historical mines.

Even so the agreement doesn't have to offer perfection to exist. I did take the obvious step of adding the communist London borough republics, in so doing I acknowledged already that the agreement is good but not perfect.

edh said:

Agree that winning in 2020 will be very tough, particularly with the changes to electoral roll & fiddling with constituencies.

Indeed, I was born and grew up in higher openshaw, Manchester (2 streets from Howard out of take that ), Manchester steel works was just to my west, the coal pits were just to my east. There were trains that ran across the main road between Ashton Under Lyne and Manchester that took the coal and steel between the massive steel works sites. My neibours were striking minors during the minors strike. Manchester was very much a coal and heavy industry city during my early years (I'm 50 this year). At the time I was leaving school the whole lot was being shut down or had already gone.

Chrise, that spelling!

I know kids once went down the mines, but not at that point in time.

Manchester was also the home of British Communism. Engels, Marx patron, came over from Germany, ostensibly to run a family business in the city, but with the intention of joining the ranks of their 'secret' society. The party was closely linked to the Rambler's Asoc - see right to roam protests in nearby Peak District - and my MIL (from Blakely) remembers going on trips with them.