Who will be the new Labour leader?
Poll: Who will be the new Labour leader?
Total Members Polled: 378
Discussion
Unless a Labour MP dies in the next few days and vacates a seat then D Miliband is a non starter. Alan Johnson, another reasonably likeable man, says he won't run because he's too old (well he said that last time round).
Cooper, Burnham and Chuka will be the favourites and whoever the unions fancy the most will win (I don't think it will be Chuka).
Cooper, Burnham and Chuka will be the favourites and whoever the unions fancy the most will win (I don't think it will be Chuka).
vonuber said:
I wonder what would have happened if John Smith hadn't died.
He brought labour back from the brink but was left of centre. He would not have opted for the middle ground yet I think he still would have got in, but perhaps without such a massive majority. If you remember, the tories were indulging in in-fighting and the right was seen to be in the ascendent.Smith was pro Scotland going it alone and I would assume that the UK might well have been broken up by now.
I don't think we would have tried to police the world and we would not have been the USA's lapdog.
I would have given him two sessions, leaving when Scotland went it alone.
turbobloke said:
MarshPhantom said:
I just think they need to move away from the past, Burnham and D. Miliband just seem like yesterdays men TBH.
That I can appreciate, but exactly who is there?The names mentioned so far are either unknown and/or flyweight, have a glass chin in front of the camera, or remain tainted; it seems as though each option is one or the other - who exactly is there? Folk can say that 5 years is time enough to rebuild but this is after a defeat that wasn't crushing in terms of the parliamentary majority, but crushing in terms of morale. That amount of time basking in the impotence and anonymity of opposition presents real challenges.
I have a carrot in my kitchen and I think that it should be leader of the Labour party.
On the basis that said carrot will not tell me a pack of lies, make hoards of petty laws to hector and harrass me , will not steal from me on any pretext it can think of , and basically, it won't fk up the country and its economy.
Elect Carrot!! You know it makes sense.
On the basis that said carrot will not tell me a pack of lies, make hoards of petty laws to hector and harrass me , will not steal from me on any pretext it can think of , and basically, it won't fk up the country and its economy.
Elect Carrot!! You know it makes sense.
MarshPhantom said:
turbobloke said:
MarshPhantom said:
I just think they need to move away from the past, Burnham and D. Miliband just seem like yesterdays men TBH.
That I can appreciate, but exactly who is there?The names mentioned so far are either unknown and/or flyweight, have a glass chin in front of the camera, or remain tainted; it seems as though each option is one or the other - who exactly is there? Folk can say that 5 years is time enough to rebuild but this is after a defeat that wasn't crushing in terms of the parliamentary majority, but crushing in terms of morale. That amount of time basking in the impotence and anonymity of opposition presents real challenges.
Minister of State (Europe) 2008-09
Minister of State (Department of Communities and Local Government) 2008-08
Minister of State (Regional Affairs) 2007-08
Minister of State (Department for Work and Pensions) 2007-08
Minister of State (Department of Health) 2006-07
Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Department of Health) 2005-06
Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Home Office) 2003-05
More recently:
Shadow Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change 2011-15
Shadow Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government 2010-11
I could forgive her for time served as Shadow Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change if she was only in it for the money
Who actually decides who will be the new leader. If it's the unions then we'll probably end up with another Brownite like Cooper, if it's the career politicians then Burnham or perhaps even Chukka.
I'm not a labour voter but I'm so fed up with all these identical career politicians. We all bang on about Balls and Miliband and Cooper but they're not much different to Cameron or Osborne or Clegg. They're just all the same from the same backgrounds and get the same PR training.
It's like there's some factory churning out these boring robots, lacking in empathy or conviction, that nobody trusts. That's why people are disillusioned with politicians, they're all the same.
At least that bloke from the paras has lived a bit and done some interesting stuff.
I'm not a labour voter but I'm so fed up with all these identical career politicians. We all bang on about Balls and Miliband and Cooper but they're not much different to Cameron or Osborne or Clegg. They're just all the same from the same backgrounds and get the same PR training.
It's like there's some factory churning out these boring robots, lacking in empathy or conviction, that nobody trusts. That's why people are disillusioned with politicians, they're all the same.
At least that bloke from the paras has lived a bit and done some interesting stuff.
turbobloke said:
MarshPhantom said:
turbobloke said:
MarshPhantom said:
I just think they need to move away from the past, Burnham and D. Miliband just seem like yesterdays men TBH.
That I can appreciate, but exactly who is there?The names mentioned so far are either unknown and/or flyweight, have a glass chin in front of the camera, or remain tainted; it seems as though each option is one or the other - who exactly is there? Folk can say that 5 years is time enough to rebuild but this is after a defeat that wasn't crushing in terms of the parliamentary majority, but crushing in terms of morale. That amount of time basking in the impotence and anonymity of opposition presents real challenges.
Minister of State (Europe) 2008-09
Minister of State (Department of Communities and Local Government) 2008-08
Minister of State (Regional Affairs) 2007-08
Minister of State (Department for Work and Pensions) 2007-08
Minister of State (Department of Health) 2006-07
Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Department of Health) 2005-06
Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Home Office) 2003-05
More recently:
Shadow Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change 2011-15
Shadow Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government 2010-11
I could forgive her for time served as Shadow Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change if she was only in it for the money
MarshPhantom said:
She's been around a while but not any real high profile roles, certainly nothing where she could cop any heat over previous Labour policy.
Then good luck to her. If she's a relatively moderate voice of sanity in the Labour leadership then although as a Conservative voter I might prefer another loony leftie, I don't. Sane opposition is needed at all times.KingNothing said:
flyingvisit said:
If they choose Chuka, they'll be handing UKIP a few million white working-class votes.
The working class up here would still vote Labour even if the party was ran by a rubber dog st, dropped from a cargo plane outa Hong Kong or a potato, nevermind Chuka. (sorry )
MarshPhantom said:
I just think they need to move away from the past, Burnham and D. Miliband just seem like yesterdays men TBH.
Burnham was lacklustre in his Health portfolio, proposed hopeless policies on NHS when it was ripe for having a winning platform in the area, Tories could be seen to be weak in. For that alone he is a yesterday's man. I believe in competition, I've never voted labour, but with the SNP wiping them out we actually need a strong opposition with a strong leader to hold the new Govt. to account and stop the Tory backbenchers ballsing things up with their consistent rebellions.
Mojocvh said:
el stovey said:
It's like there's some factory churning out these boring robots, lacking in empathy or conviction, that nobody trusts. That's why people are disillusioned with politicians, they're all the same.
Common Purpose?http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9322492/the-po...
Just in case you missed it...
Election rules changed in 2014 to OMOV - MP's, party members and affiliate members.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_%28UK%29...
..I guess not many of you will be voting
Election rules changed in 2014 to OMOV - MP's, party members and affiliate members.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_%28UK%29...
..I guess not many of you will be voting
edh said:
Just in case you missed it...
Election rules changed in 2014 to OMOV - MP's, party members and affiliate members.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_%28UK%29...
..I guess not many of you will be voting
We all signed up and voted in ed last time. Election rules changed in 2014 to OMOV - MP's, party members and affiliate members.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_%28UK%29...
..I guess not many of you will be voting
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