Who will be the new Labour leader?

Who will be the new Labour leader?

Poll: Who will be the new Labour leader?

Total Members Polled: 378

David Miliband: 7%
Dan Jarvis: 8%
Chuka Umunna: 22%
Andy Burnham: 21%
Harriet Harman: 7%
Jim Murphy: 2%
An other: 33%
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BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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Unless a Labour MP dies in the next few days and vacates a seat then D Miliband is a non starter. Alan Johnson, another reasonably likeable man, says he won't run because he's too old (well he said that last time round).

Cooper, Burnham and Chuka will be the favourites and whoever the unions fancy the most will win (I don't think it will be Chuka).


Derek Smith

45,514 posts

247 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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vonuber said:
I wonder what would have happened if John Smith hadn't died.
He brought labour back from the brink but was left of centre. He would not have opted for the middle ground yet I think he still would have got in, but perhaps without such a massive majority. If you remember, the tories were indulging in in-fighting and the right was seen to be in the ascendent.

Smith was pro Scotland going it alone and I would assume that the UK might well have been broken up by now.

I don't think we would have tried to police the world and we would not have been the USA's lapdog.

I would have given him two sessions, leaving when Scotland went it alone.


MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

136 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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turbobloke said:
MarshPhantom said:
I just think they need to move away from the past, Burnham and D. Miliband just seem like yesterdays men TBH.
That I can appreciate, but exactly who is there?

The names mentioned so far are either unknown and/or flyweight, have a glass chin in front of the camera, or remain tainted; it seems as though each option is one or the other - who exactly is there? Folk can say that 5 years is time enough to rebuild but this is after a defeat that wasn't crushing in terms of the parliamentary majority, but crushing in terms of morale. That amount of time basking in the impotence and anonymity of opposition presents real challenges.
I think Caroline Flint could do well, comes over well on TV (which is what it's all about sadly) and can fight her corner, and a woman that isn't Harperson or Cooper.

Cheese Mechanic

3,157 posts

168 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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I have a carrot in my kitchen and I think that it should be leader of the Labour party.

On the basis that said carrot will not tell me a pack of lies, make hoards of petty laws to hector and harrass me , will not steal from me on any pretext it can think of , and basically, it won't fk up the country and its economy.

Elect Carrot!! You know it makes sense.

turbobloke

103,744 posts

259 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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MarshPhantom said:
turbobloke said:
MarshPhantom said:
I just think they need to move away from the past, Burnham and D. Miliband just seem like yesterdays men TBH.
That I can appreciate, but exactly who is there?

The names mentioned so far are either unknown and/or flyweight, have a glass chin in front of the camera, or remain tainted; it seems as though each option is one or the other - who exactly is there? Folk can say that 5 years is time enough to rebuild but this is after a defeat that wasn't crushing in terms of the parliamentary majority, but crushing in terms of morale. That amount of time basking in the impotence and anonymity of opposition presents real challenges.
I think Caroline Flint could do well, comes over well on TV (which is what it's all about sadly) and can fight her corner, and a woman that isn't Harperson or Cooper.
Flint could well be the one to watch, she's photogenic which, as you alluded to, is peripheral yet it matters these days - but with a track record being both a blessing and a curse, is she not "tainted"? Experience would appear to be a double-edged sword...if you've got it you're tainted, if not then you're a lightweight. The usual paradox, experience has to start at some point after all. Anyway, this is in the CF cv:

Minister of State (Europe) 2008-09
Minister of State (Department of Communities and Local Government) 2008-08
Minister of State (Regional Affairs) 2007-08
Minister of State (Department for Work and Pensions) 2007-08
Minister of State (Department of Health) 2006-07
Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Department of Health) 2005-06
Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Home Office) 2003-05

More recently:

Shadow Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change 2011-15
Shadow Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government 2010-11

I could forgive her for time served as Shadow Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change if she was only in it for the money wink

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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Who actually decides who will be the new leader. If it's the unions then we'll probably end up with another Brownite like Cooper, if it's the career politicians then Burnham or perhaps even Chukka.

I'm not a labour voter but I'm so fed up with all these identical career politicians. We all bang on about Balls and Miliband and Cooper but they're not much different to Cameron or Osborne or Clegg. They're just all the same from the same backgrounds and get the same PR training.

It's like there's some factory churning out these boring robots, lacking in empathy or conviction, that nobody trusts. That's why people are disillusioned with politicians, they're all the same.

At least that bloke from the paras has lived a bit and done some interesting stuff.

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

136 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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turbobloke said:
MarshPhantom said:
turbobloke said:
MarshPhantom said:
I just think they need to move away from the past, Burnham and D. Miliband just seem like yesterdays men TBH.
That I can appreciate, but exactly who is there?

The names mentioned so far are either unknown and/or flyweight, have a glass chin in front of the camera, or remain tainted; it seems as though each option is one or the other - who exactly is there? Folk can say that 5 years is time enough to rebuild but this is after a defeat that wasn't crushing in terms of the parliamentary majority, but crushing in terms of morale. That amount of time basking in the impotence and anonymity of opposition presents real challenges.
I think Caroline Flint could do well, comes over well on TV (which is what it's all about sadly) and can fight her corner, and a woman that isn't Harperson or Cooper.
Flint could well be the one to watch, she's photogenic which as you say is peripheral yet it matters these days - but with a track record being both a blessing and a curse, is she not "tainted"? Experience would appear to be a double-edged sword...if you've got it you're tainted, if not then you're a lightweight. The usual paradox, experience has to startat some point after all. Anyway, this is in the CF cv:

Minister of State (Europe) 2008-09
Minister of State (Department of Communities and Local Government) 2008-08
Minister of State (Regional Affairs) 2007-08
Minister of State (Department for Work and Pensions) 2007-08
Minister of State (Department of Health) 2006-07
Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Department of Health) 2005-06
Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Home Office) 2003-05

More recently:

Shadow Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change 2011-15
Shadow Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government 2010-11

I could forgive her for time served as Shadow Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change if she was only in it for the money wink
She's been around a while but not any real high profile roles, certainly nothing where she could cop any heat over previous Labour policy.

turbobloke

103,744 posts

259 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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MarshPhantom said:
She's been around a while but not any real high profile roles, certainly nothing where she could cop any heat over previous Labour policy.
Then good luck to her. If she's a relatively moderate voice of sanity in the Labour leadership then although as a Conservative voter I might prefer another loony leftie, I don't. Sane opposition is needed at all times.

TheJimi

24,863 posts

242 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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KingNothing said:
flyingvisit said:
If they choose Chuka, they'll be handing UKIP a few million white working-class votes.
The working class up here would still vote Labour even if the party was ran by a rubber dog st, dropped from a cargo plane outa Hong Kong or a potato, nevermind Chuka.
EFA.

(sorry paperbag )

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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[quote=el stovey

It's like there's some factory churning out these boring robots, lacking in empathy or conviction, that nobody trusts. That's why people are disillusioned with politicians, they're all the same.


[/quote]

Common Purpose?

thepeoplespal

1,615 posts

276 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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MarshPhantom said:
I just think they need to move away from the past, Burnham and D. Miliband just seem like yesterdays men TBH.
Burnham was lacklustre in his Health portfolio, proposed hopeless policies on NHS when it was ripe for having a winning platform in the area, Tories could be seen to be weak in. For that alone he is a yesterday's man.

I believe in competition, I've never voted labour, but with the SNP wiping them out we actually need a strong opposition with a strong leader to hold the new Govt. to account and stop the Tory backbenchers ballsing things up with their consistent rebellions.

turbobloke

103,744 posts

259 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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Mojocvh said:
el stovey said:
It's like there's some factory churning out these boring robots, lacking in empathy or conviction, that nobody trusts. That's why people are disillusioned with politicians, they're all the same.

Common Purpose?
It has to be a factor. So is this - robot politicians created by Oxford PPE degree:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9322492/the-po...

edh

3,498 posts

268 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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Just in case you missed it...

Election rules changed in 2014 to OMOV - MP's, party members and affiliate members.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_%28UK%29...

..I guess not many of you will be voting

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

185 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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Beati Dogu said:
BoRED S2upid said:
I'd love to vote but I'd need to know who they are. Who's this army guy I read about once? I will vote for him.
That's Dan Jarvis, a former para.
It should be, but it won't. Won't get enough party support. IMO.

ninjacost

980 posts

221 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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Nigel Farage ;-)

4v6

1,098 posts

125 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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Really who gives a monkeys?

I find it a tad odd that a party which always promotes inclusivity and equality for all has NEVER had a female black transgender leader.
Nor have they even had a straight female leader, unlike the tories and the snp.....
Inclusive my hairy arse!

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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edh said:
Just in case you missed it...

Election rules changed in 2014 to OMOV - MP's, party members and affiliate members.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_%28UK%29...

..I guess not many of you will be voting
We all signed up and voted in ed last time. hehe

Hashtagmilifandom

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 9th May 2015
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4v6 said:
Really who gives a monkeys?
I'm interested. Not hugely, I'm not lying awake at night worried about it but some people are interested.

Ayahuasca

Original Poster:

27,427 posts

278 months

Sunday 10th May 2015
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Dan Jarvis appears to be wearing a Rolex Submariner or Sea Dweller.

For PHers this could cause all sorts of confusion.


Moonhawk

10,730 posts

218 months

Sunday 10th May 2015
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KingNothing said:
The working class up here would still vote Labour even if the party was ran by a rubber dog.......
Well - it worked for the SNP biggrin