Who will be the new Labour leader?
Poll: Who will be the new Labour leader?
Total Members Polled: 378
Discussion
turbobloke said:
RYH64E said:
turbobloke said:
Tough, he should live in something he can afford and not expect handouts. He sounds like a Labour supporter.
An MPs salary of £67k isn't enough to fund a house in London and a constituency home, the alternatives to the current system are a) A significant increase in pay to cover the costs of a second, London house, or b) Only rich people should become MPs. Which would you prefer?Never forget the Nolan
67k is a relatively low salary for the responsibilities they have. This is why we end up with career politicians, from a wealthy background, regardless of their political colour.
Anyone with the actual talent to do a decent job is working their way up the corporate ladder.
turbobloke said:
Neither of the above. Curiously the option you missed was c) live in a flat he can afford - sell up (at a profit) and rent if needs be rather than milk the taxpayer for what you describe as a general 'house in London' that he cannot afford. He can easily afford to rent at £67k when the median inner London salary according to ONS is significantly below his income level.
Never forget the NolanSisters Principles of Public Life & Service.
When you say that he can easily afford to rent in London on a salary of £67k you are conveniently overlooking the fact that that the £67k also has to fund the family home, the London house is a second house.Never forget the Nolan
If I use my personal car in the course of my employment I claim mileage, if I travel away from home I claim for accomodation, why should MPs have to use their personal assets without reimbursement?
RYH64E said:
turbobloke said:
Neither of the above. Curiously the option you missed was c) live in a flat he can afford - sell up (at a profit) and rent if needs be rather than milk the taxpayer for what you describe as a general 'house in London' that he cannot afford. He can easily afford to rent at £67k when the median inner London salary according to ONS is significantly below his income level.
Never forget the NolanSisters Principles of Public Life & Service.
When you say that he can easily afford to rent in London on a salary of £67k you are conveniently overlooking the fact that that the £67k also has to fund the family home, the London house is a second house.Never forget the Nolan
RYH64E said:
If I use my personal car in the course of my employment I claim mileage, if I travel away from home I claim for accomodation, why should MPs have to use their personal assets without reimbursement?
However you're not working in public service as far as can be discerned - please advise if that's incorrect - whereas Burnham is, so the Nolan Principles don't apply to you or anyone else in a position outside public life and service.The issue is that Labour will probably go through a very earnest process and elect the leader they think is the best. This looks like being Andy Burnham which I don't think anyone can realsitically envisage running the country. AB is tainted by his previous roles and appearing to be the union candidate will not endear him to the swing voters that the party desperately needs.
In my view, Labour really needs to elect the person that the Tories would LEAST like to deal with. This would be Liz Kendall. She;s untainted by the pestilent mess that was the last Labour government, she was distant from Ed, she comes across reasonably well and, being female, would beless likely to endure some of the more personal vitriol that got poured all over Miliband.
Burnham woudl be too easy todela with but I can imagine Lizzy getting some real momentum if she started while the Tories worked out how to deal with her.
In my view, Labour really needs to elect the person that the Tories would LEAST like to deal with. This would be Liz Kendall. She;s untainted by the pestilent mess that was the last Labour government, she was distant from Ed, she comes across reasonably well and, being female, would beless likely to endure some of the more personal vitriol that got poured all over Miliband.
Burnham woudl be too easy todela with but I can imagine Lizzy getting some real momentum if she started while the Tories worked out how to deal with her.
turbobloke said:
However you're not working in public service as far as can be discerned - please advise if that's incorrect - whereas Burnham is, so the Nolan Principles don't apply to you or anyone else in a position outside public life and service.
As I've said, under your scheme only the independently wealthy would choose to become an MP. Or maybe you'd like to see a means tested scheme whereby anyone with private assets is barred from claiming expenses whilst the proletariat fill their boots? That would be in line with current socialist thinking...There's a scheme in place to reimburse justifiable expenditure, Burnham is claiming in accordance with the terms and conditions that apply to his role as MP, I don't see what he's doing wrong.
8Ace said:
The issue is that Labour will probably go through a very earnest process and elect the leader they think is the best. This looks like being Andy Burnham which I don't think anyone can realsitically envisage running the country. AB is tainted by his previous roles and appearing to be the union candidate will not endear him to the swing voters that the party desperately needs.
In my view, Labour really needs to elect the person that the Tories would LEAST like to deal with. This would be Liz Kendall. She;s untainted by the pestilent mess that was the last Labour government, she was distant from Ed, she comes across reasonably well and, being female, would beless likely to endure some of the more personal vitriol that got poured all over Miliband.
Burnham woudl be too easy todela with but I can imagine Lizzy getting some real momentum if she started while the Tories worked out how to deal with her.
She would still represent "more of the same" for the party though, they all (labour candidates) seem to have joined a left wing debating club at uni because the tories didn't want them.In my view, Labour really needs to elect the person that the Tories would LEAST like to deal with. This would be Liz Kendall. She;s untainted by the pestilent mess that was the last Labour government, she was distant from Ed, she comes across reasonably well and, being female, would beless likely to endure some of the more personal vitriol that got poured all over Miliband.
Burnham woudl be too easy todela with but I can imagine Lizzy getting some real momentum if she started while the Tories worked out how to deal with her.
I don't see a great leader in the party, in fact I see very few competent politicians so I think they should go back to their roots and elect a working bloke, somebody who has been a shop steward but talks sense like Alan Johnson. I know he said he didn't want it but the point is the party has quite a few Alans to choose from just under the university surface if it dares to look at its roots.
RYH64E said:
turbobloke said:
However you're not working in public service as far as can be discerned - please advise if that's incorrect - whereas Burnham is, so the Nolan Principles don't apply to you or anyone else in a position outside public life and service.
As I've said, under your scheme only the independently wealthy would choose to become an MP.RYH64E said:
There's a scheme in place to reimburse justifiable expenditure, Burnham is claiming in accordance with the terms and conditions that apply to his role as MP, I don't see what he's doing wrong.
According to parliamentary regulations, nothing, according to the higher and more appropriate standards manifest in the Nolan Principles he's just another trougher...all as per my post yesterday or the day before.MarshPhantom said:
8Ace said:
Less likely to endure some of the more personal vitriol that got poured all over Miliband.
I wouldn't count on that, The Times are already calling her the "The Blair Witch" . Charming.They're obviously scared.
Having a nobody in charge of a shredded Party bimbling around in the wilderness is terrifying.
Halb said:
NoNeed said:
They should just build a big block of flats so when somebody is elected and needs one they get it for the time they are in office.
This sounds like the best option.say 100 capacity apartment blocks x6 complex, high standard of course.
Leaders, Minsters and shadows get houses that are state property.
Its a one time expense, the complex will require police security though.
Cheese Mechanic said:
8Ace said:
y well and, being female, would beless likely to endure some of the more personal vitriol that got poured all over Miliband.
You have to be kidding, being a deluded tt is not dependent on gender. So she will be treated accordingly.NoNeed said:
This quote is telling...
It came as Harriet Harman, the acting Labour leader, said the race to find Ed Miliband's permanent replacement must not be a 'stitch-up'.
'There is absolutely not going to be a stitch-up by the unions in this election,' Ms Harman said.
'We've got a completely different election system than we've had previously.'
This from a woman that said it wasn't a stitch up and that he hadn@t stabbed his brother in the back.
Yes but to give her due, she is the biggest hypocrite in the entire HoC and has demonstrated time and again that she will do or say absolutely anything she can to keep her hand somewhere near the tiller of power.It came as Harriet Harman, the acting Labour leader, said the race to find Ed Miliband's permanent replacement must not be a 'stitch-up'.
'There is absolutely not going to be a stitch-up by the unions in this election,' Ms Harman said.
'We've got a completely different election system than we've had previously.'
This from a woman that said it wasn't a stitch up and that he hadn@t stabbed his brother in the back.
A truly horrible human being.
BlackLabel said:
Cheese Mechanic said:
8Ace said:
y well and, being female, would beless likely to endure some of the more personal vitriol that got poured all over Miliband.
You have to be kidding, being a deluded tt is not dependent on gender. So she will be treated accordingly.BlackLabel said:
Cheese Mechanic said:
8Ace said:
y well and, being female, would beless likely to endure some of the more personal vitriol that got poured all over Miliband.
You have to be kidding, being a deluded tt is not dependent on gender. So she will be treated accordingly.The Hypno-Toad said:
Yes but to give her due, she is the biggest hypocrite in the entire HoC and has demonstrated time and again that she will do or say absolutely anything she can to keep her hand somewhere near the tiller of power.
A truly horrible human being.
Methinks the toad doth protest too much. A truly horrible human being.
I think you lurve her. You want her. You want to do kissy squelchy stuff to her lady bits, don't you?
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