Who will be the new Labour leader?
Poll: Who will be the new Labour leader?
Total Members Polled: 378
Discussion
gruffalo said:
The SNP are more left wing than Labour and they won a land slide victory, I think Labour are chasing that dream and it may work.
English voters seem less convinced that government money comes from a magic money tree than the Scots. Meanwhile, on the Daily Mash:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-he...
Corbyn speaking today
“Rather than remove spending power from the economy and damage growth and future prosperity, Britain needs a publicly led expansion and reconstruction of the economy.”
He said: “You don’t close the deficit fairly or sustainably through cuts. You close it through growing a balanced and sustainable economy that works for all.”
Rejecting what he described as an “austerity lite” agenda promoted by Labour in the 2015 election, he said: “If the deficit has been closed by 2020 and the economy is growing, then Labour should not run a current budget deficit – but we should borrow to invest in our future prosperity.”
Corbyn argued: “Growth and higher wages must be key to bringing down the deficit. Increased tax receipts and lower benefit demand are a better way forward than shutting local libraries and attacking the working poor. If there are tough choices, we will always protect public services and support for the most vulnerable. Instead we will ask those who have been fortunate to contribute a little more.”
He also suggested the Bank of England’s mandate could be changed from the control of inflation to ensuring investment in new large scale housing, energy, transport and digital projects.
“Paying tax is not a burden,” Corbyn said. “It is the subscription we pay to live in a civilised society. A collective payment we all make for the collective goods we all benefit from: schools, hospitals, libraries, street lights, pensions, the list is endless.
“Our tax system has shifted over the last generation from taxing income and wealth to taxing consumption; and from taxing corporations to taxing individuals.”
He said: “Austerity is about political choices, not economic necessities. There is money available.
“The inheritance tax changes will lose the government over £2.5bn in revenue between now and 2020. What responsible government committed to closing the deficit would give a tax break to the richest 4% of households?”
...
gets my vote
“Rather than remove spending power from the economy and damage growth and future prosperity, Britain needs a publicly led expansion and reconstruction of the economy.”
He said: “You don’t close the deficit fairly or sustainably through cuts. You close it through growing a balanced and sustainable economy that works for all.”
Rejecting what he described as an “austerity lite” agenda promoted by Labour in the 2015 election, he said: “If the deficit has been closed by 2020 and the economy is growing, then Labour should not run a current budget deficit – but we should borrow to invest in our future prosperity.”
Corbyn argued: “Growth and higher wages must be key to bringing down the deficit. Increased tax receipts and lower benefit demand are a better way forward than shutting local libraries and attacking the working poor. If there are tough choices, we will always protect public services and support for the most vulnerable. Instead we will ask those who have been fortunate to contribute a little more.”
He also suggested the Bank of England’s mandate could be changed from the control of inflation to ensuring investment in new large scale housing, energy, transport and digital projects.
“Paying tax is not a burden,” Corbyn said. “It is the subscription we pay to live in a civilised society. A collective payment we all make for the collective goods we all benefit from: schools, hospitals, libraries, street lights, pensions, the list is endless.
“Our tax system has shifted over the last generation from taxing income and wealth to taxing consumption; and from taxing corporations to taxing individuals.”
He said: “Austerity is about political choices, not economic necessities. There is money available.
“The inheritance tax changes will lose the government over £2.5bn in revenue between now and 2020. What responsible government committed to closing the deficit would give a tax break to the richest 4% of households?”
...
gets my vote
rover 623gsi said:
Corbyn speaking today
“Rather than remove spending power from the economy and damage growth and future prosperity, Britain needs a publicly led expansion and reconstruction of the economy.”
He said: “You don’t close the deficit fairly or sustainably through cuts. You close it through growing a balanced and sustainable economy that works for all.”
Rejecting what he described as an “austerity lite” agenda promoted by Labour in the 2015 election, he said: “If the deficit has been closed by 2020 and the economy is growing, then Labour should not run a current budget deficit – but we should borrow to invest in our future prosperity.”
Corbyn argued: “Growth and higher wages must be key to bringing down the deficit. Increased tax receipts and lower benefit demand are a better way forward than shutting local libraries and attacking the working poor. If there are tough choices, we will always protect public services and support for the most vulnerable. Instead we will ask those who have been fortunate to contribute a little more.”
He also suggested the Bank of England’s mandate could be changed from the control of inflation to ensuring investment in new large scale housing, energy, transport and digital projects.
“Paying tax is not a burden,” Corbyn said. “It is the subscription we pay to live in a civilised society. A collective payment we all make for the collective goods we all benefit from: schools, hospitals, libraries, street lights, pensions, the list is endless.
“Our tax system has shifted over the last generation from taxing income and wealth to taxing consumption; and from taxing corporations to taxing individuals.”
He said: “Austerity is about political choices, not economic necessities. There is money available.
“The inheritance tax changes will lose the government over £2.5bn in revenue between now and 2020. What responsible government committed to closing the deficit would give a tax break to the richest 4% of households?”
...
gets my vote
That does sound like where society should be going. Don't like the inheritance tax, but a look at corporations and tax is what I like.“Rather than remove spending power from the economy and damage growth and future prosperity, Britain needs a publicly led expansion and reconstruction of the economy.”
He said: “You don’t close the deficit fairly or sustainably through cuts. You close it through growing a balanced and sustainable economy that works for all.”
Rejecting what he described as an “austerity lite” agenda promoted by Labour in the 2015 election, he said: “If the deficit has been closed by 2020 and the economy is growing, then Labour should not run a current budget deficit – but we should borrow to invest in our future prosperity.”
Corbyn argued: “Growth and higher wages must be key to bringing down the deficit. Increased tax receipts and lower benefit demand are a better way forward than shutting local libraries and attacking the working poor. If there are tough choices, we will always protect public services and support for the most vulnerable. Instead we will ask those who have been fortunate to contribute a little more.”
He also suggested the Bank of England’s mandate could be changed from the control of inflation to ensuring investment in new large scale housing, energy, transport and digital projects.
“Paying tax is not a burden,” Corbyn said. “It is the subscription we pay to live in a civilised society. A collective payment we all make for the collective goods we all benefit from: schools, hospitals, libraries, street lights, pensions, the list is endless.
“Our tax system has shifted over the last generation from taxing income and wealth to taxing consumption; and from taxing corporations to taxing individuals.”
He said: “Austerity is about political choices, not economic necessities. There is money available.
“The inheritance tax changes will lose the government over £2.5bn in revenue between now and 2020. What responsible government committed to closing the deficit would give a tax break to the richest 4% of households?”
...
gets my vote
rover 623gsi said:
Corbyn speaking today
“Rather than remove spending power from the economy and damage growth and future prosperity, Britain needs a publicly led expansion and reconstruction of the economy.”
Sounds like a return to the bloated public sector approach that's just been fixed.“Rather than remove spending power from the economy and damage growth and future prosperity, Britain needs a publicly led expansion and reconstruction of the economy.”
Corbyn said:
You don’t close the deficit fairly or sustainably through cuts. You close it through growing a balanced and sustainable economy that works for all.
We got today's bulls
t bingo winner. A fair and sustainable win no dountCorbyn said:
If the deficit has been closed by 2020 and the economy is growing, then Labour should not run a current budget deficit – but we should borrow to invest in our future prosperity.
It's more likely that Labour won't get the chance.Corbyn said:
...attacking the working poor...
Even the Coalition taxed low-paid workers less than Labour did before 2010.Corbyn said:
Paying tax is not a burden. It is the subscription we pay to live in a civilised society. A collective payment we all make for the collective goods we all benefit from: schools, hospitals, libraries, street lights, pensions, the list is endless.
He forgot fairness and sustainability, presumably because being reminded that having 30% of all income taxes paid by 1% of workers on 13% of total income is unfair and unsustainable wouldn't go down well.Corbyn said:
Austerity is about political choices, not economic necessities. There is money available.
From the socialist magic money tree, we already know.Corbyn said:
The inheritance tax changes will lose the government over £2.5bn in revenue between now and 2020. What responsible government committed to closing the deficit would give a tax break to the richest 4% of households?
A responsible government that doesn't mind saying thanks on the odd occasion to the people that pay for everything. As per the upcoming tax rate change (not basic rate).
One that will very likely get sufficient votes next time to see that Labour remain in opposition, which he can help with by winning the leadership contest.
Chlamydia said:
rover 623gsi said:
Corbyn said, "we should borrow to invest in our future prosperity.”
It's déjà vu all over again. What could possibly go wrong? 
It's a plan so simple it's brilliant. All we have to do is spend loads of money on the public sector and everything will be fixed. It's worked so well in the past, look at the fantastic economy Gordon Brown created doing everything Corbyn is saying he'd do.
jmorgan said:
Yeah but second term with Tories in the hot seat, maybe that are banking on the voters voting for a change for the hell of it.
New Labour was voted in because the public were bored with Tory Governments but wanted a 'change' of party but the same basic policies. By shifting Labour to the centre ground Blair delivered a Thatcherite message from a socialist platform. What Williband and Corbyn ( if he's leader ) did was totally different. The public will ( quite rightly ) be terrified of voting Labour in until they re-discover the centre ground and find a new Tony Bliar. I wouldn't trust him with the milk money.
It's rather depressing that the primary opposition party in the country is so devoid of any genuine calibre. I just don't understand what degree of the party are indeed lefties of the loony variety or moderate centrists. Are they really full of comarades or is there just a vocal minority? Such a weird organisation.
It's rather depressing that the primary opposition party in the country is so devoid of any genuine calibre. I just don't understand what degree of the party are indeed lefties of the loony variety or moderate centrists. Are they really full of comarades or is there just a vocal minority? Such a weird organisation.
Timmy40 said:
jmorgan said:
Yeah but second term with Tories in the hot seat, maybe that are banking on the voters voting for a change for the hell of it.
New Labour was voted in because the public were bored with Tory Governments but wanted a 'change' of party but the same basic policies. By shifting Labour to the centre ground Blair delivered a Thatcherite message from a socialist platform. What Williband and Corbyn ( if he's leader ) did was totally different. The public will ( quite rightly ) be terrified of voting Labour in until they re-discover the centre ground and find a new Tony Bliar. jmorgan said:
Timmy40 said:
jmorgan said:
Yeah but second term with Tories in the hot seat, maybe that are banking on the voters voting for a change for the hell of it.
New Labour was voted in because the public were bored with Tory Governments but wanted a 'change' of party but the same basic policies. By shifting Labour to the centre ground Blair delivered a Thatcherite message from a socialist platform. What Williband and Corbyn ( if he's leader ) did was totally different. The public will ( quite rightly ) be terrified of voting Labour in until they re-discover the centre ground and find a new Tony Bliar. Yes the BBC will adore him, and so will the Mirror, but that hardly helped Labour last time.
And here's why, Millibands letfist message was loved in the Labour heartlands, Labours vote share actually went up. But it didn't play to middle England without which Labour is unelectable.
cirian75 said:
Chlamydia said:
rover 623gsi said:
Corbyn said, "we should borrow to invest in our future prosperity.”
It's déjà vu all over again. What could possibly go wrong? cirian75 said:
Chlamydia said:
rover 623gsi said:
Corbyn said, "we should borrow to invest in our future prosperity.”
It's déjà vu all over again. What could possibly go wrong? 
Cheese Mechanic said:
Halb said:
That does sound like where society should be going. Don't like the inheritance tax, but a look at corporations and tax is what I like.
People do like tax when its somebody else paying it.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff