Who will be the new Labour leader?

[otolith]

Timmy40 said:

Except of course taxing corporations just means they leave, and taxing the rich doesn't raise that much money because there actually aren't very many of them, so it always goes back to borrowing more money rather than explaining to voters that there promises actually can't be met because there isn't enough tax revenue to pay for them.

I should think clobbering the middle classes will also be on the table.

[Guybrush]

The left never learn. Ruined economies litter their CV, yet they still come back for more, trying to convince us with their BS, clearly hoping that people either have short memories, are too young and maybe naïve to know better or are just a bit
Anyway, the far left have always lurked in the Labour party, sometime shuffled into the shadows by Labour when they want to put on a shiny 'moderate' veneer, but there they are, lurking as always.

[Cheese Mechanic]

otolith said:

I should think clobbering the middle classes will also be on the table.

They will steal from anything and anybody with no qualms whatsoever and always with well dressed up excuses. Thats how the Labour Party are, they think they have more right to your assets and earnings than you do.

[Mark Benson]

rover 623gsi said:

well, I dont really expect many on PH to vote for Corbyn but I'm not sure that many on here would vote for Labour whoever is leader so does it really matter? Labour are not going to win in 2020 so they may as well be a proper opposition rather than try to be Tory-lite.

Labour under Corbyn would be a party for the hard left only. They'd become a populist protest-vote party for shouty students and union members, nothing more.

Say what you like about Blair but he knew how to win elections, you need to take the centre ground and that means toning down the leftist rhetoric.

If Corbyn wins, I can see the Lib Dems picking up a few new members as the moderate left looks for a new home.

[Saddle bum]

Good question..................

Does Labour actually want to win the next election?

[Halb]

Cheese Mechanic said:

Halb said:

That does sound like where society should be going. Don't like the inheritance tax, but a look at corporations and tax is what I like.

People do like tax when its somebody else paying it.

That's what I hear.

[Johnnytheboy]

Saddle bum said:

Good question........... .......

Does Labour actually want to win the next election?

Broadly what I said about the lib dems five years ago.

[fluffnik]

Timmy40 said:

For some strange reason Labour seem to think that losing an election having lurched to the left, the reason voters didn't elect them is that they weren't left wing enough. Which is bonkers.

Labour werewere in no meaningful way left wing going into the last election, and there are more "none of the above" disengaged (non) voters up for grabs than there are wavering Tories...

Interesting times.

[turbobloke]

fluffnik said:

Timmy40 said:

For some strange reason Labour seem to think that losing an election having lurched to the left, the reason voters didn't elect them is that they weren't left wing enough. Which is bonkers.

Labour were in no meaningful way left wing going into the last election...

"Ed Miliband’s move to the left lost Labour the election" (FT)
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/734f0578-f34a-11e4-8141-...

"Labour did not lose election because it was too leftwing says Unite chief"
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/13/la...

[johnxjsc1985]

turbobloke said:

"Ed Miliband’s move to the left lost Labour the election" (FT)
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/734f0578-f34a-11e4-8141-...

"Labour did not lose election because it was too leftwing says Unite chief"
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/13/la...

I am confused but not half as much as Labour voters

[turbobloke]

Tony Blair 'If your heart is with Corbyn get a transplant'.

[truck71]

turbobloke said:

"Ed Miliband’s move to the left lost Labour the election" (FT)
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/734f0578-f34a-11e4-8141-...

"Labour did not lose election because it was too leftwing says Unite chief"
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/13/la...

A couple of interesting points from the Grauniad article, Comarade Len suggests the 1997 Labour victory was due to the party galvanising the middle ground around society and then goes on to say the party should always represent the poorest and most needy in said society. A contradiction no? Certainly a very distorted interpretation of taking the centre ground. As for the second point, there simply aren't enough poor and needy people to keep the party in power- we're all better off if not equally so. The left just can't bring themselves to see this- wilderness beckons.

[Cobnapint]

Guybrush said:

The left never learn. Ruined economies litter their CV, yet they still come back for more, trying to convince us with their BS, clearly hoping that people either have short memories, are too young and maybe naïve to know better or are just a bit
.

Spot on. Lemmings.

[technodup]

fluffnik said:

Labour werewere in no meaningful way left wing going into the last election, and there are more "none of the above" disengaged (non) voters up for grabs than there are wavering Tories...

Good luck with that approach.

They're going to need it.

[johnxjsc1985]

technodup said:

ood luck with that approach.

They're going to need it.

None of the above especially not loony lefties.

[Borghetto]

fluffnik said:

Labour werewere in no meaningful way left wing going into the last election, and there are more "none of the above" disengaged (non) voters up for grabs than there are wavering Tories...

Interesting times.

Coming from an Snp voter, I suppose you would think that.

[iambeowulf]

Corbyn - Austerity was a "Political choice not an economic necessity"

Yeah, you tell them Yanis Varoufakis!


(Although the way he's been quoted I'm hoping it's not in context)

[truck71]

Yvette Cooper on R4 right now, totally useless, hysterical, confused and incoherent dreamer. Could be her husband with a different voice.

[madala]

I really do hope Corbyn is elected leader ........ that will be the Labour party out of contention for a fair wee while ...... it would be a win win scenario .......

[williamp]

truck71 said:

Yvette Cooper on R4 right now, totally useless, hysterical, confused and incoherent dreamer. Could be her husband with a different voice.

Speakingof voice, is she usung her clipped, quiet, educated voice of her brash northern accent??