Heathrow Expansion

[aeropilot]

plasticpig said:

GT03ROB said:

Why Birmingham though Welsh? Surely further north is the better to service the northern powerhouse? I'd have though greater capacity at Manchester would be a better answer than Birmingham if the north needs it. I'd guess something out on the M40 towards Oxford would be nearly as bad as Boris Island.

Manchester airport already has two runways and currently runs at 50% of it's capacity

Indeed.

Plenty of spare capacity outside of the M25.....which is why extra runway is needed at LHR.

[GT03ROB]

aeropilot said:

plasticpig said:

GT03ROB said:

Why Birmingham though Welsh? Surely further north is the better to service the northern powerhouse? I'd have though greater capacity at Manchester would be a better answer than Birmingham if the north needs it. I'd guess something out on the M40 towards Oxford would be nearly as bad as Boris Island.

Manchester airport already has two runways and currently runs at 50% of it's capacity

Indeed.

Plenty of spare capacity outside of the M25.....which is why extra runway is needed at LHR.

Doesn't surprise me.

I've long believed the answer was Heathrow. I can't see anything else aligning with needs.

[LHRFlightman]

aeropilot said:

jdw100 said:

I read in one article that a new Heathrow runway would take ten years to build and cost £1bn to complete.

I may be missing something here but how can a strip of tarmac (yes I know it's better than that) take 10 years to lay and cost that much.

To be honest you're missing almost everything, let alone something...!!

There is a massive amount of work associated with the 3rd runway, this isn't just laying a strip of tarmac in a field.

New runway, new taxy ways, new Terminal, new associated infrastructure to get access to it, new infrastructure to connect everything including baggage transfer etc., comms to ATC & rest of LHR, public transport extensions to Terminal, drainage and sewerage connections, river diversions, road diversions.........and the list goes on....

We'll need another Tower as well.

[Talksteer]

LHRFlightman said:

aeropilot said:

jdw100 said:

I read in one article that a new Heathrow runway would take ten years to build and cost £1bn to complete.

I may be missing something here but how can a strip of tarmac (yes I know it's better than that) take 10 years to lay and cost that much.

To be honest you're missing almost everything, let alone something...!!

There is a massive amount of work associated with the 3rd runway, this isn't just laying a strip of tarmac in a field.

New runway, new taxy ways, new Terminal, new associated infrastructure to get access to it, new infrastructure to connect everything including baggage transfer etc., comms to ATC & rest of LHR, public transport extensions to Terminal, drainage and sewerage connections, river diversions, road diversions.........and the list goes on....

We'll need another Tower as well.

You can add to this putting the M25 in a tunnel several km long and filling in a reservoir. All done without stopping either the M25 or Heathrow operating.

The actual runway bit on a piece of adequately flat ground could be done in a few months.

Suggest all those wanting to know more airport expansion read this:

https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/bigger-a...

Thus is the policy exchange document that Heathrow based their final proposal on, it goes through the other options from Boris island to Stansted. The final Heathrow proposal was a little different to the original solution proposed here in that they proposed to move all the runways West Heathrow only propose to put the new runways to the west.

[aeropilot]

Talksteer said:

You can add to this putting the M25 in a tunnel several km long and filling in a reservoir.

What reservoir....??

[saaby93]

Dr Murdoch said:

Also the demolition of Sipsom village, once all the existing residents are moved on of course (I imagine that won't be the work of a moment)

Didnt they move the runway west to avoid Sipson?

[robinessex]

The governmnet have effectivley put the decison on hold yet again. While the government will announce its preference next week, a final decision will not be made until 2017-18, a move that London Mayor Sadiq Khan described as "dithering".

[greygoose]

robinessex said:

The governmnet have effectivley put the decison on hold yet again. While the government will announce its preference next week, a final decision will not be made until 2017-18, a move that London Mayor Sadiq Khan described as "dithering".

I suspect legal challenges will drag the "final decision" out a lot longer than that, pathetic.

[Tryke3]

You know why it got put back a year, an election is coming

[B'stard Child]

Tryke3 said:

You know why it got put back a year, an election is coming

Hmm TM gets defeated in a vote on Brexit - triggers general election - cue a shed load more instability!!!

[Welshbeef]

aeropilot said:

Talksteer said:

You can add to this putting the M25 in a tunnel several km long and filling in a reservoir.

What reservoir....??

Isn't one of the ones in Wresbury? Queen Anne's?

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Welshbeef said:

aeropilot said:

Talksteer said:

You can add to this putting the M25 in a tunnel several km long and filling in a reservoir.

What reservoir....??

Isn't one of the ones in Wresbury? Queen Anne's?

Yes, there's the Wrasbury and the Queen Mother reservoirs, but neither of them are in the line of the preferred 3rd runway location. There is a small lake next to the River Colne that will need filling in as part of the River Colne diversion to allow the re-alignment of the M25.

One of the proposed options was for the 3rd runway to be to the south-west of the southern runway, and this scheme would have caused issues with the resevoirs....but this in not the preferred option of HAL.

[Talksteer]

aeropilot said:

Welshbeef said:

aeropilot said:

Talksteer said:

You can add to this putting the M25 in a tunnel several km long and filling in a reservoir.

What reservoir....??

Isn't one of the ones in Wresbury? Queen Anne's?

Yes, there's the Wrasbury and the Queen Mother reservoirs, but neither of them are in the line of the preferred 3rd runway location. There is a small lake next to the River Colne that will need filling in as part of the River Colne diversion to allow the re-alignment of the M25.

One of the proposed options was for the 3rd runway to be to the south-west of the southern runway, and this scheme would have caused issues with the resevoirs....but this in not the preferred option of HAL.

They should just build both!

However I would have thought that the Southern option even though more expensive for Heathrow would be a better option as it involves less noise over central London and fewer houses demolished.

[hidetheelephants]

Talksteer said:

They should just build both!

However I would have thought that the Southern option even though more expensive for Heathrow would be a better option as it involves less noise over central London and fewer houses demolished.

By the time the 3rd gets built they'll need a 4th so the utilitarian view is get it all done in one go; I share this view.

[aeropilot]

anonymous said:

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I'm freelance, so here, there and everywhere, but essentially, who ever pays the most

[Welshbeef]

aeropilot said:

I'm freelance, so here, there and everywhere, but essentially, who ever pays the most

Make sure you pay into a private pension so many Ltd co directors overlook this maximising their annual earnings instead. Hi

[aeropilot]

Welshbeef said:

aeropilot said:

I'm freelance, so here, there and everywhere, but essentially, who ever pays the most

Make sure you pay into a private pension so many Ltd co directors overlook this maximising their annual earnings instead. Hi

Indeed, it's something I always say to the younger freelance guys I sometimes work with, as its something they don't ever seem to consider doing.......unlike us old gits

[robinessex]

aeropilot said:

Welshbeef said:

aeropilot said:

I'm freelance, so here, there and everywhere, but essentially, who ever pays the most

Make sure you pay into a private pension so many Ltd co directors overlook this maximising their annual earnings instead. Hi

Indeed, it's something I always say to the younger freelance guys I sometimes work with, as its something they don't ever seem to consider doing.......unlike us old gits

No, buy house to let. If I'd invested in property, instead of a crap pension fund, for the duration of my contracting, I'd be a property millionare now.

[aeropilot]

robinessex said:

aeropilot said:

Welshbeef said:

aeropilot said:

I'm freelance, so here, there and everywhere, but essentially, who ever pays the most

Make sure you pay into a private pension so many Ltd co directors overlook this maximising their annual earnings instead. Hi

Indeed, it's something I always say to the younger freelance guys I sometimes work with, as its something they don't ever seem to consider doing.......unlike us old gits

No, buy house to let. If I'd invested in property, instead of a crap pension fund, for the duration of my contracting, I'd be a property millionare now.

Well, yes, today with pension fund raping after Gordon Brown that would be the preferred route if I was going freelance today, rather than already having almost 40 years working career behind me.....

[Matt80M]

Expansion approved.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37760187

Good.