Heathrow Expansion

[aeropilot]

anonymous said:

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It's possible, and I still don't know why with Crossrail, the consideration of a relatively small extention to this to connect Crossrail to the line to Stanstead could have created a very good easy to use and quick direct multi-link between Heathrow-Central London-Stanstead.

[aeropilot]

anonymous said:

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Err.........Crossrail is linking with Stratford Station which is on the same line as the Stanstead Rail link goes through to get to Liverpool St....
It wouldn't actually involve any new railway, just the 'connection' infrastructure to allow specific Heathrow-Stanstead 'connect' trains to run 'through' from one end to the other.

[Otispunkmeyer]

eccles said:

Chrisgr31 said:

I dont recall hearing of that incident, in fact never heard of anything falling off overflying aircraft and landing in the town. Guessing its unfortunate when it happens.

Really?
There have been a few incidents of bodies falling out of U/C bays over the years and many reports of blue ice doing damage to properties.

That blue ice mention just reminded me of the time they did that on Mythbusters. I think even the wind tunnel guys were a bit surprised when, indeed, a big blue ice formation appeared from a leaky panel and then suddenly sheared off in the wind. One of their better episodes.

[Mrr T]

aeropilot said:

anonymous said:

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Err.........Crossrail is linking with Stratford Station which is on the same line as the Stanstead Rail link goes through to get to Liverpool St....
It wouldn't actually involve any new railway, just the 'connection' infrastructure to allow specific Heathrow-Stanstead 'connect' trains to run 'through' from one end to the other.

Stratford is linked to Stanstead Express via Tottenham Hale. Trains are not direct so not sure if tracks are linked.

[Europa1]

Otispunkmeyer said:

eccles said:

Chrisgr31 said:

I dont recall hearing of that incident, in fact never heard of anything falling off overflying aircraft and landing in the town. Guessing its unfortunate when it happens.

Really?
There have been a few incidents of bodies falling out of U/C bays over the years and many reports of blue ice doing damage to properties.

That blue ice mention just reminded me of the time they did that on Mythbusters. I think even the wind tunnel guys were a bit surprised when, indeed, a big blue ice formation appeared from a leaky panel and then suddenly sheared off in the wind. One of their better episodes.

Our office is under one of the approaches to Luton; a colleague needed a new bootlid on her car after a chunk of ice landed on it.

[aeropilot]

anonymous said:

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Basically yes, really don't know why it's not be done.....it seems a no-brainer to me, given it would be a relatively inexpensive task - we're not talking billions and billions here.

All network rail is same gauge, and as far as I can recall, the line to Stansted is already overhead gantry electrification.

[Mrr T]

anonymous said:

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The rail lines seem to separate just south of the Warwick reservoirs one to Liverpool St the other to Stratford. So I assume same gauge and already connected.

May need changes at Stratford to connect to Cross rail.

I must admit I do not understand the rational for Cross rail.

It links Shenfield/Abbey Wood to Reading/Heathrow.

However:
a) City Airport to Heathrow will involve 2 changes on the DLR, to get to Cross Rail.
b) As above Stansted to Heathrow will involve changing at Tottenham Hale.
c) Any one from the eastern region will have to change at Sheffield to get to Heathrow.
d) Any one from the eastern region wanting to go further than Reading (or visa versa) will have to change at Shenfield and Reading.

Is it just me or do you think the planers should have considered more integration with the rest of the network.

[Willhire89]

It intrigues me that what is now Bedford Autodrome near Riseley has never been put back into the equation

It was at one time in very close running with Heathrow for development

How far would that be to link up with HS2?

[aeropilot]

Mrr said:

Is it just me or do you think the planers should have considered more integration with the rest of the network.

No, you're spot on about integration with rest of network.....but, this is a factor of privatised rail companies integration rather than physical integration of the Network Rail systems I suspect.
Probably would have been easier in BR days in that respect (as long as the unions went along with it of course)

[johnfm]

So, have they built the 3rd runway yet or what? They could have built 2 or 3 in the time they've been talking about it...

[spikeyhead]

BBC reporting that a decision will be made by the transport committee on the 25th of October. They neglected to say which year.

Willhire89 said:

It intrigues me that what is now Bedford Autodrome near Riseley has never been put back into the equation

It was at one time in very close running with Heathrow for development

How far would that be to link up with HS2?

It's a very long way from London, or anywhere else, 10 miles to the A1, 20 miles to the M1 and about 50 miles to London, with no benefit to choosing a greenfield site. HS2 is going the far side of the M1, so a very long way indeed.

[aeropilot]

anonymous said:

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This is the issue with hub airports though, its as much about where the airlines want to fly in and out of, rather than what free capacity is where.
Had this highlighted to me only last weekend. I had to fly up to Scotland for a family funeral on a Friday, but with the funeral time being mid afternoon, the timings meant that I couldn’t make the last flight back to Heathrow on the Friday eve, so had to book flight for coming back on Sat. Now, when booking this I was gobsmacked at the prices for the Sat return flights to LHR from Edinburgh, almost 300 quid just for the return leg alone!!
Had to stomach it, but all became clear once I got up to Scotland when everyone said that the kids had broken up for half term that day……so, that explained BA hiking up the prices for flights (and there being very little free seats left at a weeks notice)
When checking in on Sat morning I’d say 80% plus of those checking in were going on holiday to USA/RofW and were using the flight to LHR to connect with other flights........ironically, for those flying to USA, within a few hours they would be flying back along the same route and going over where they had just come from......

[BlackLabel]

"The Cabinet sub-committee will announce its decision on airport expansion next week BUT there will then be a year-long public consultation, meaning the final vote has been delayed until the winter of 2017/18"

http://order-order.com/2016/10/18/heathrow-gatwick...

[loafer123]

Give them both permission, make it clear that all infrastructure upgrades have to be paid for by the private owners of those airports and then let them do a deal between them.

[Tryke3]

Theresa May cant even make a simple decission as an extra runway, we are fked

[LHRFlightman]

Tryke3 said:

Theresa May cant even make a simple decission as an extra runway, we are fked

Politicians have been ducking this since the early 1980's. It's not an easy decision, despite what it looks like from the outside.

[BlackLabel]

This will be interesting.

Zac Goldsmith, the MP for Richmond, has said he is ready to resign as a Conservative MP if Theresa May gives the go-ahead for a third runway at Heathrow. And in a shock development his local Conservative group agreed to back him in a by-election over an official Tory candidate.

[Welshbeef]

BlackLabel said:

This will be interesting.

Zac Goldsmith, the MP for Richmond, has said he is ready to resign as a Conservative MP if Theresa May gives the go-ahead for a third runway at Heathrow. And in a shock development his local Conservative group agreed to back him in a by-election over an official Tory candidate.

Not to worry it's another year long consultation.


Remember Cross rail was first mentioned in the late 1940's it will be completed in 2019/20.

[Johnnytheboy]

BlackLabel said:

This will be interesting.

Zac Goldsmith, the MP for Richmond, has said he is ready to resign as a Conservative MP if Theresa May gives the go-ahead for a third runway at Heathrow. And in a shock development his local Conservative group agreed to back him in a by-election over an official Tory candidate.

Double win - we get a third runway and get shot of that prick.

[aeropilot]

Johnnytheboy said:

BlackLabel said:

This will be interesting.

Zac Goldsmith, the MP for Richmond, has said he is ready to resign as a Conservative MP if Theresa May gives the go-ahead for a third runway at Heathrow. And in a shock development his local Conservative group agreed to back him in a by-election over an official Tory candidate.

Double win - we get a third runway and get shot of that prick.

Well, getting shot of that prick would certainley be a bonus....not convinced we'll get a 3rd runway yet though.

Sadly, as I expected.....another political fudge by a bunch of useless, spineless, waste of space politicians who must struggle every morning trying to make a decision what clothes to wear.....