Heathrow Expansion

[jamoor]

greygoose said:

she had a Carlton Gsi,

only on PH!

[Targarama]

aeropilot said:

Lucas CAV said:

greygoose said:

jammy-git said:

Interesting Forbes article on the Heathrow expansion and how it compares with airports expansions in America.

Interesting that a new runway at Heathrow is 18 times more expensive than an American one.

Not really as presumably the land required at Heathrow is much more expensive to develop than in the USA

Just about everything is more expensive here......

Look more deeply and you will find that many large infrastructure projects in the US run over budget and over time. Lots of corruption, union, political challenges too. It isn't the great land-of-the-free many think it is.

Just one example from many returned in a simple search: http://www.citylab.com/politics/2015/10/from-250-m...

Edited by Targarama on Sunday 30th October 17:40

[aeropilot]

Targarama said:

aeropilot said:

Lucas CAV said:

greygoose said:

jammy-git said:

Interesting Forbes article on the Heathrow expansion and how it compares with airports expansions in America.

Interesting that a new runway at Heathrow is 18 times more expensive than an American one.

Not really as presumably the land required at Heathrow is much more expensive to develop than in the USA

Just about everything is more expensive here......

Look more deeply and you will find that many large infrastructure projects in the US run over budget and over time. Lots of corruption, union, political challenges too. It isn't the great land-of-the-free many think it is.

Yes, they do indeed have many issues to deal with that we don't have here, which cause them problems but that wasn't the comparison though, the actual numbers associated with the costs were what was being compared, and as said, just about everything costs more here, whether it be land, manhours, raw materials, energy costs etc.,etc.....

[LHRFlightman]

Twas ever thus.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37803205?ns_m...

12000+ complaints in 3 months by 10 people.

[aeropilot]

LHRFlightman said:

Twas ever thus.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37803205?ns_m...

12000+ complaints in 3 months by 10 people.

Perhaps someone should investigate how much those ten people are getting paid to complain....

And Slough being the 'hot bed' territory of the most complaints - oh what a surprise!

[irocfan]

another bunch of tossers who think that their view is right and that nothing else matters

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-380383...

[Otispunkmeyer]

Its a shame we don't have a natural harbour place where we can do the reclaimed land thing and build a huge airport on it. Like Hong Kong (which by the way has to be the smoothest, most trouble free experience I have ever had). Though its a shame I never got to experience the old Kai Tak approach over Kowloon!

[Biker 1]

irocfan said:

another bunch of tossers who think that their view is right and that nothing else matters

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-380383...

I feel very sorry for the poor souls trying to go on holiday. First they have to deal with overcrowded motorways, & then, just as they think they're almost at Heathrow, fking swampy & rent-a-mob have to turn up..... Can't the BIB be given stronger powers, like carting them off by force??

[aeropilot]

Biker 1 said:

Can't the BIB be given stronger powers, like carting them off by force??

You mean give them back what they used have and has now been taken away because of the media/public scrums over the years about Police brutality and what have you.

Joe public and the media don't want it - softly, softly huggy-fluffy Policing is the future.....and when swampy and the rest of the great unwashed of society decide to make our lives a misery, we have to roll over and accept it.

[gothatway]

hidetheelephants said:

There are no other airports in the UK in the running to do that and to build one from scratch it would need to be built quite near to London, probably to the northwest, near to motorways and linked to the rail network. Good luck finding real estate to build that on and even more good luck finding the £100bn+ to do it with.

Great shame that Filton was never in the running - too much infighting/lack of imagination and ambition by the local councils, I believe. Nice long runway, good road and rail connections, not in the southeast but probably quicker to Heathrow than Gatwick is. Transatlantic flights would spend much less time over land. Now surrounded by cheap housing so not a chance - also of course, all the money has to be spent in the southeast.
Lyneham anyone ?

[aeropilot]

gothatway said:

hidetheelephants said:

There are no other airports in the UK in the running to do that and to build one from scratch it would need to be built quite near to London, probably to the northwest, near to motorways and linked to the rail network. Good luck finding real estate to build that on and even more good luck finding the £100bn+ to do it with.

Great shame that Filton was never in the running - too much infighting/lack of imagination and ambition by the local councils, I believe. Nice long runway, good road and rail connections, not in the southeast but probably quicker to Heathrow than Gatwick is. Transatlantic flights would spend much less time over land. Now surrounded by cheap housing so not a chance - also of course, all the money has to be spent in the southeast.
Lyneham anyone ?

You're missing the point entirely - another airport isn't what is needed, it's extra runway capacity at the existing ones, or rather at Heathrow, as Heathrow is the only viable 'hub' option.

[KTF]

The taxi driver taking me home the other day from LGW said why don't they build one at both LHR and LGW as by the time one is built they will need another so just do both and be done with it.

Seems quite a sensible suggestion I thought?

[aeropilot]

KTF said:

The taxi driver taking me home the other day from LGW said why don't they build one at both LHR and LGW as by the time one is built they will need another so just do both and be done with it.

Seems quite a sensible suggestion I thought?

Indeed it would be......although, building at the same time might be stretching resources a bit.

Of course, if the Govt had grown a pair about a decade ago, the 3rd runway at LHR would now be close to being ready, and they could soon be starting on the one at LGW as well.

[jamoor]

aeropilot said:

You're missing the point entirely - another airport isn't what is needed, it's extra runway capacity at the existing ones, or rather at Heathrow, as Heathrow is the only viable 'hub' option.

Well a new airport will replace the old one in it's entirety and leave the old one as additional capacity.

[Whoozit]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Though its a shame I never got to experience the old Kai Tak approach over Kowloon!

It was bloody exciting. Especially during a storm. You really felt close enough to the apartments to touch them.

[georgezippy]

There was something on the news today about air quality around Heathrow being outside permissible limits, and this being used as an argument to stop Heathrow expansion.
I have not read all of the 29 pages of this thread (sorry) but only seen it mentioned once, and from my own experience of using Heathrow, there are constant queues of planes waiting to get to the runway (sometimes 5-10) inching up to the taxiway to have their turn to take off, waiting for several minutes each, all running their huge turbofan engines which are hideously inefficient at idle.
If there was another runway, they'd all have less waiting time, and get on their way quicker and the air quality could actually improve!

There's also the stacks in the sky of planes waiting their turn to land, same problem.

I personally think we should all fly a bit less, but it's a global thing linked to business and consequently how well off we all are, it isn't going to change soon, so we should embrace it or as others have said, it'll all move somewhere else, and there'll be a consequence.

[aeropilot]

georgezippy said:

There was something on the news today about air quality around Heathrow being outside permissible limits, and this being used as an argument to stop Heathrow expansion.
I have not read all of the 29 pages of this thread (sorry) but only seen it mentioned once, and from my own experience of using Heathrow, there are constant queues of planes waiting to get to the runway (sometimes 5-10) inching up to the taxiway to have their turn to take off, waiting for several minutes each, all running their huge turbofan engines which are hideously inefficient at idle.
If there was another runway, they'd all have less waiting time, and get on their way quicker and the air quality could actually improve!

There's also the stacks in the sky of planes waiting their turn to land, same problem.

The aircraft stacking to land has no impact on immediate air quality around Heathrow when measured at ground level, or close to ground level.

The issue with the air quality measurements taken around Heathrow is that it isn't all generated by the aircraft either, the proximity to the M25/M4 etc., as well as congestion of traffic trying to bypass Heathrow to get to into/out of London on the surrounding A-roads has a big impact on those air qual readings.......not that the anti-expansion NIMBYS will let that fact get in the way of their arguments of course.

[davepoth]

There's a huge amount of repressed demand at Heathrow. The new runway will be more or less at capacity as soon as it is built.

[PoleDriver]

Rent-a-mob are at it again!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/21/heathro...

[aeropilot]

PoleDriver said:

Rent-a-mob are at it again!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/21/heathro...

Yeah, disgraceful.

I'd just hitch up a tow rope to the car and tow the thing out, and with them still chained to it.