Mhairi Black's already broken protocol on the first day
Discussion
desolate said:
REALIST123 said:
It's fairly clear that a lame chimp would have won for the SNP in her constituency, and also that the SNP were rather struggling for candidates when they resorted to her. (I guess they just couldn't find a chimp?)
So a youngster gets engaged in local politics, makes enough of an impression to get a nomination stands and wins. And all you can do is take the piss because you think she is a bit rough around the edges and you don't like her politics?
Nice work, Realist.
I mean f
k ME, she didn't go to the right school and talks with an accent! How dare they vote for her.Willy Nilly said:
We both know she is not there on her own merit, she's there because at that moment in time the SNP were going to get voted in no matter who was standing for them. Had she won a swing seat south of Hadrians wall she would have done well.
so you don't think that being the youngest MP for 300 years plus is a bit of a feather in her cap, worthy of pat on the back and quick "all the best" as she starts out?desolate said:
so you don't think that being the youngest MP for 300 years plus is a bit of a feather in her cap, worthy of pat on the back and quick "all the best" as she starts out?
Nope. She's there because anyone with an SNP rosette could've won in that seat. She was probably chosen just to prove a point. bulldong said:
motco said:
And they chucked out Douglas Alexander who, despite his politics, is an experienced parliamentarian!
Douglas Alexander is one of the least impressive people I have ever seen in politics.Funk said:
This will be great fun to watch...
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/lon...
I think it's a little out of line to be disrespectful to the institution you've just been elected to. Car crash stuff...
I think respect for an institution simply for being an institution is ridiculous. Respect for the people in the institution should be granted as long as it's due.http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/lon...
I think it's a little out of line to be disrespectful to the institution you've just been elected to. Car crash stuff...
I quite like her stand over the 'segregation' in the restaurant even if it does come across as a little after-the-fact grandstanding.
I am quite surprised at the tone in most of these posts.
She's 20, yes, and has had access to social media, which other politicians at that age generally did not. But as William fking Hague claimed to down 50 pints when aged 6 to improve his standing in the Conservatives, why the hell should it matter if someone else has or has not?
If she drops out of her studies and is successful, and she's earning £67k more than most of her class I'll bet, which is a pretty good start, she'll be joining an illustrious class of those who have...
More to the point, why the talk of her as PM? She won't need to be PM. By the time Scotland is independent (well before she is 40) five internet pounds says Queen Nichola has handed over First Ministerial responsibilities to her, because by then she'll be a seasoned pro with an international reputation, and very likely the SNP's poster girl for success.
She's 20, yes, and has had access to social media, which other politicians at that age generally did not. But as William f
king Hague claimed to down 50 pints when aged 6 to improve his standing in the Conservatives, why the hell should it matter if someone else has or has not?If she drops out of her studies and is successful, and she's earning £67k more than most of her class I'll bet, which is a pretty good start, she'll be joining an illustrious class of those who have...
More to the point, why the talk of her as PM? She won't need to be PM. By the time Scotland is independent (well before she is 40) five internet pounds says Queen Nichola has handed over First Ministerial responsibilities to her, because by then she'll be a seasoned pro with an international reputation, and very likely the SNP's poster girl for success.
Croutons said:
I am quite surprised at the tone in most of these posts.
She's 20, yes, and has had access to social media, which other politicians at that age generally did not. But as William fking Hague claimed to down 50 pints when aged 6 to improve his standing in the Conservatives, why the hell should it matter if someone else has or has not?
If she drops out of her studies and is successful, and she's earning £67k more than most of her class I'll bet, which is a pretty good start, she'll be joining an illustrious class of those who have...
More to the point, why the talk of her as PM? She won't need to be PM. By the time Scotland is independent (well before she is 40) five internet pounds says Queen Nichola has handed over First Ministerial responsibilities to her, because by then she'll be a seasoned pro with an international reputation, and very likely the SNP's poster girl for success.
Either you are taking the mickey with that last paragraph or you are so full of sShe's 20, yes, and has had access to social media, which other politicians at that age generally did not. But as William f
king Hague claimed to down 50 pints when aged 6 to improve his standing in the Conservatives, why the hell should it matter if someone else has or has not?If she drops out of her studies and is successful, and she's earning £67k more than most of her class I'll bet, which is a pretty good start, she'll be joining an illustrious class of those who have...
More to the point, why the talk of her as PM? She won't need to be PM. By the time Scotland is independent (well before she is 40) five internet pounds says Queen Nichola has handed over First Ministerial responsibilities to her, because by then she'll be a seasoned pro with an international reputation, and very likely the SNP's poster girl for success.
t your eyes must be brown.Smollet said:
desolate said:
so you don't think that being the youngest MP for 300 years plus is a bit of a feather in her cap, worthy of pat on the back and quick "all the best" as she starts out?
Nope. She's there because anyone with an SNP rosette could've won in that seat. She was probably chosen just to prove a point. I'd much rather we had people like her from different backgrounds and having different ages, all these dull PPE career politician drones lead to a complete lack of innovation and ideas and most people being completely disconnected from politics.
Axionknight said:
Either you are taking the mickey with that last paragraph or you are so full of st your eyes must be brown.
She's been elected for a full 5 years to start with, which guarantees her at least £335k in basic earnings from her MP's salary (which may go up by £11k/ annum before too long), plus an automatic entitlement to a resettlement bung from your & my taxes if she's not re-elected.t your eyes must be brown.This is what we have. Fact. What she said on social media a month ago won't change it.
And through my s
tty brown eyes I can already see she'll get a thirst for power and will be nurtured, protected and supported by the SNP who want support from those aged 16+. No-one else has a 20 year old MP...el stovey said:
Much like most of the safe labour/conservative seats that never change hands then? Actually, she did better as she actually won her seat by beating someone else who had it already.
I'd much rather we had people like her from different backgrounds and having different ages, all these dull PPE career politician drones lead to a complete lack of innovation and ideas and most people being completely disconnected from politics.
I always smile at that argument.I'd much rather we had people like her from different backgrounds and having different ages, all these dull PPE career politician drones lead to a complete lack of innovation and ideas and most people being completely disconnected from politics.
"Shes a breath of fresh air as shes not a career politician"
Surely she is the very embodiment of a career politician thats simply starting on the road; politics student becomes politician with no real world experience. Her politics will now be formed within the insular walls of Westminster which may or may not be a good thing; it depends how easily influenced and naive she is?
Im not going to condemn her to failure however her actions to date make me believe that the odds are stacked against her.
barryrs said:
I always smile at that argument.
"Shes a breath of fresh air as shes not a career politician"
Surely she is the very embodiment of a career politician thats simply starting on the road; politics student becomes politician with no real world experience. Her politics will now be formed within the insular walls of Westminster which may or may not be a good thing; it depends how easily influenced and naive she is?
Im not going to condemn her to failure however her actions to date make me believe that the odds are stacked against her.
She's not a PPE career politician drone. Her background is vastly different and as a result she will have different influences and bring different ideas. "Shes a breath of fresh air as shes not a career politician"
Surely she is the very embodiment of a career politician thats simply starting on the road; politics student becomes politician with no real world experience. Her politics will now be formed within the insular walls of Westminster which may or may not be a good thing; it depends how easily influenced and naive she is?
Im not going to condemn her to failure however her actions to date make me believe that the odds are stacked against her.
barryrs said:
el stovey said:
She's not a PPE career politician drone. Her background is vastly different and as a result she will have different influences and bring different ideas.
Sure she will........http://order-order.com/2015/05/18/the-all-white-al...
bulldong said:
Douglas Alexander is one of the least impressive people I have ever seen in politics.
Depends what you mean by impressive politics. If you mean showboating, getting yourself into the limelight and obsessing with denigrating the opposition then you are correct.If on the other hand you mean actually being present and visible within the community he represents and being prepared to listen to and act for his constituents then he was brilliant, which made it all the more sickening when I lost him as an MP to have him replaced by a lame chimp.
The SNP activists fought a very underhand (and potentially illegal) campaign in Paisley and Renfrew South, making very personal and unverified claims against the standing MP. The leaflets issued and the posters used though carried no official source so were difficult to counter. It was not a clean fight with only one side playing dirty, but then the SNP and their activists feel empowered at the moment, and with Mhairi Black as a figurehead (being allowed to get away with her ageist/sectarian agenda) the thug mentality was legitimised.
The only mistake Labour activists made in the constituency was not stooping to the level of the SNP thinking decency would prevail, which made the result even more disappointing.
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 20th May 12:12
r11co said:
bulldong said:
Douglas Alexander is one of the least impressive people I have ever seen in politics.
Depends what you mean by impressive politics. If you mean showboating, getting yourself into the limelight and obsessing with denigrating the opposition then you are correct.If on the other hand you mean actually being present and visible within the community he represents and being prepared to listen to and act for his constituents then he was brilliant, which made it all the more sickening when I lost him as an MP to have him replaced by a lame chimp.
The SNP activists fought a very underhand (and potentially illegal) campaign in Paisley and Renfrew South, making very personal and unverified claims against the standing MP. The leaflets issued and the posters used though carried no official source so were difficult to counter. It was not a clean fight with only one side playing dirty, but then the SNP and their activists feel empowered at the moment, and with Mhairi Black as a figurehead (being allowed to get away with her ageist/sectarian agenda) the thug mentality was legitimised.
The only mistake Labour activists made in the constituency was not stooping to the level of the SNP thinking decency would prevail, which made the result even more disappointing.
Have you been having lessons from Lord Kinnock?
Walford said:
SNP keep going on about anti austerity, can they or anyone give an example of a country following this policy effectively
Yes. Pre-crash Iceland, Greece, Ireland, Portugal and others enthusiastically followed expansionist policies with no way of ever squaring the books. They followed this approach very effectively to its logical conclusion. In a previous life Germany also went down this route and people ended up taking cash around in wheelbarrows. I think a certain R Mugabe is also a fan,In fact our very own SNP fat man used to talk abut the "arc of prosperity". This was a group of small nations who had discovered financial alchemy and whose people would soon be rich beyond their wildest dreams. The countries included SCOTLUND! SCOTLUND! SCOTLUND! and future enconomic basket cases Ireland and Icelend. Estonia and another Baltic state to to were in there too (I think as much due to their excellent racism as their ability to spunk away billions of pounds of free money) and Norway. Not sure what Norway are doing with that lot as they are not racist and also very sensible fiscally, but then let's not get facts get in the way of a bit of populist tub thumping from Fat Alec.
Anyway after about 2008 the Nats quietly dropped this particular theme. Divots.
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