Mhairi Black's already broken protocol on the first day
Discussion
Andy Zarse said:
What, and your saying the voters were so malleable and gullible they voted SNP solely on the basis of these cunning lies? Nothing to do with Duggie being a spineless yesman, or having rubbish hard left Labour policies, or misleading the voters in the In/Out referendum?
Eh? The SNP activists were depicting themselves as the real hard lefters and the Labour candidates as Tories in Red. Here is one of the subtler (but just as offensive) posters that sprang up overnight all over my town a couple of days before the poll....
The sentiment might have been sincere had Ms. Black resiled her parliamentary salary and privileges. She is still unsurprisingly silent over that one, and ironically she will be collecting £7k per annum more than Douglas Alexander as an MP due to the rise that will be implemented in this new session.
Andy Zarse said:
Have you been having lessons from Lord Kinnock?
Has Ms. Black been taking lessons from her (near) namesake Marie - Antoinette?
(c)2015 r11co
But then, she is only following the example of her 'progressive' and 'socially just' leader.
Rank hypocrisy!
The campaign message of the SNP was 'get rid of the Red Tories'. The campaign result was 'let us have their jobs and salaries instead'.
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 20th May 15:23
AC43 said:
Not sure what Norway are doing with that lot as they are not racist and also very sensible fiscally,
That's the important bit that doesn't easily translate across the North Sea, or has at least been lost over the last few decades. We've traded our sense (it seems, I'm not old enough to remember) of social and economic sensibleness, and realisation that money doesn't grow on tree's, for a much looser application of 'social justice' where its seen as deeply unfair when those who don't contribute as much or anything (whether through choice or not) aren't lifted out of what ever it is they're in.. A noble concept, but one incompatible with the fiscal realties and social attitudes we seem to be stuck with.The social attitude to money and the states provision of social welfare seems to be expected, but far less taken for granted in Norway, and people there generally seem to appreciate that social welfare is a safety net, not a way of life. I guess Norway hasn't had to go through the same level of economic and industrial decline / shift that the old industrialised countries like the UK / Scotland has had to..
I personally think Mhari should be given her fair shot, and be judged on her record, or lack of it. I'm in favour of the UK system of governance, but not really fussed about the protocols and peculiarities of the Westminster system..
gofasterrosssco said:
I personally think Mhari should be given her fair shot..
I personally don't. She achieved her position on the back of a deceit.gofasterrosssco said:
We've traded our sense (it seems, I'm not old enough to remember) of social and economic sensibleness, and realisation that money doesn't grow on tree's, for a much looser application of 'social justice' where its seen as deeply unfair when those who don't contribute as much or anything (whether through choice or not) aren't lifted out of what ever it is they're in.
See SNP constituency campaign 2015! Give them their due - they know their demographic well.Edited by r11co on Wednesday 20th May 14:15
r11co said:
Andy Zarse said:
What, and your saying the voters were so malleable and gullible they voted SNP solely on the basis of these cunning lies? Nothing to do with Duggie being a spineless yesman, or having rubbish hard left Labour policies, or misleading the voters in the In/Out referendum?
Eh? The SNP activists were depicting themselves as the real hard lefters and the Labour candidates as Tories in Red. Here is one of the subtler (but just as offensive) posters that sprang up overnight all over my town a couple of days before the poll....The sentiment might have been sincere had Ms. Black resiled her parliamentary salary and privileges. She is still unsurprisingly silent over that one, and ironically she will be collecting £7k per annum more than Douglas Alexander as an MP due to the rise that will be implemented in this new session.
Andy Zarse said:
Have you been having lessons from Lord Kinnock?
Has Ms. Black been taking lessons from her (near) namesake Marie - Antoinette?(c)2015 r11co
But then, she is only following the example of her 'progressive' and 'socially just' leader.
Rank hypocrisy!
The campaign message of the SNP was 'get rid of the Red Tories'. The campaign result was 'let us have their jobs and salaries instead'.
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 20th May 15:23
Andy Zarse said:
The top picture is perfectly true; he doesn't struggle. That's not left wing, nor right and nor is it offensive in any shape or form. Just a simple fact, and surely nobody is stupid enough to think SNP candidates wouldn't benefit in a similar fashion? If you think otherwise then, in typical metropolitan style, you really do have a low opinion of the intelligence of your countrymen.
If anyone thinks that poster was put up just to point out a simple fact, then perhaps he's right to question people's intelligence.el stovey said:
Smollet said:
desolate said:
so you don't think that being the youngest MP for 300 years plus is a bit of a feather in her cap, worthy of pat on the back and quick "all the best" as she starts out?
Nope. She's there because anyone with an SNP rosette could've won in that seat. She was probably chosen just to prove a point. I'd much rather we had people like her from different backgrounds and having different ages, all these dull PPE career politician drones lead to a complete lack of innovation and ideas and most people being completely disconnected from politics.
For what it's worth, she is a very charismatic figure, and I do not think her age is relevant. I think she is perfectly able to hold her own amongst older parliamentarians and seems to have a very strong political head. Of course, she is a complete gobsh*te who talks utter b*ll*cks, but then again, so is Dennis Skinner.
Andy Zarse said:
The top picture is perfectly true; he doesn't struggle. That's not left wing, nor right and nor is it offensive in any shape or form. Just a simple fact, and surely nobody is stupid enough to think SNP candidates wouldn't benefit in a similar fashion? If you think otherwise then, in typical metropolitan style, you really do have a low opinion of the intelligence of your countrymen.
Nice straw-man argument, but I do have a low opinion of those who were fooled by the sleight-of-hand. The facebook page I linked to above is testament to how many many people fell for it hook, line and sinker.There were even people around here publicly stating that, as a 'Red Tory', Douglas Alexander was responsible for the closure of the Linwood car factory (notwithstanding he was in high school at the time
).Edited by r11co on Wednesday 20th May 17:17
ChemicalChaos said:
Does this girl actually have any real life experience at all, or are her qualifications solely based on half a degree, and on hurling shocking cybernat abuse at people on twitter?
If it was up to me, all MPs would have had to have worked in the real world (it not a local gov/council job) for at least 10 years before being allowed to stand. Then they might have a f
king clue how their policies usually work for the majority of people
if you applied that rule i wonder how many MPs of any hue would be left ... If it was up to me, all MPs would have had to have worked in the real world (it not a local gov/council job) for at least 10 years before being allowed to stand. Then they might have a f
king clue how their policies usually work for the majority of people also what other jobs do you deem 'unsuitable' for the real life experience requirement ?
if this doesn;t disappear in the signal to noise ratio it;s a potentially very interesting discussion
Ganglandboss said:
For what it's worth, she is a very charismatic figure...
The same was said of Tommy Sheridan and George Galloway. Good company.I'm not judging her on either her age or experience. I am judging her on her actions to date and the dubious behaviour of the people who worked to have her elected.
I'm still not getting how her blatant sectarianism and other public speaking/internet outbursts are just being swept under the carpet. She may have deleted the Twitter posts but the evidence is still there. How ironic that she should be charged under the very legislation her party introduced to counter the sort of behaviour she is clearly guilty of.
If she had been a UKIP candidate the media pressure to bin her (and her equally vile bigot of a colleague Neil Hay) as a candidate would have been enormous.
The SNP took a lot of stick because of the 'Cybernats' in the run-up to indyref and the less-than-firm condemnation by party leaders of the hate camapign they were running. The SNP's defence was that there were internet trolls on both sides. Thing is, the other parties didn't then go about actively seeking the trolls out and putting them forward as candidates.
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 20th May 17:50
r11co said:
Ganglandboss said:
For what it's worth, she is a very charismatic figure...
The same was said of Tommy Sheridan and George Galloway. Good company.I'm not judging her on either her age or experience. I am judging her on her actions to date and the dubious behaviour of the people who worked to have her elected.
I'm still not getting how her blatant sectarianism and other public speaking/internet outbursts are just being swept under the carpet. She may have deleted the Twitter posts but the evidence is still there. How ironic that she should be charged under the very legislation her party introduced to counter the sort of behaviour she is clearly guilty of.
If she had been a UKIP candidate the media pressure to bin her (and her equally vile bigot of a colleague Neil Hay) as a candidate would have been enormous.
The SNP deservedly took a lot of stick because of the 'Cybernats' in the run-up to indyref. Their defence was that there were internet trolls on both sides. Thing is, the other parties didn't then go about actively seeking the trolls out and putting them forward as candidates.
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 20th May 17:37
r11co said:
Andy Zarse said:
The top picture is perfectly true; he doesn't struggle. That's not left wing, nor right and nor is it offensive in any shape or form. Just a simple fact, and surely nobody is stupid enough to think SNP candidates wouldn't benefit in a similar fashion? If you think otherwise then, in typical metropolitan style, you really do have a low opinion of the intelligence of your countrymen.
Nice straw-man argument, but I do have a low opinion of those who were fooled by the sleight-of-hand. The facebook page I linked to above is testament to how many many people fell for it hook, line and sinker.There were even people around here publicly stating that, as a 'Red Tory', Douglas Alexander was responsible for the closure of the Linwood car factory (notwithstanding he was in high school at the time
).Edited by r11co on Wednesday 20th May 17:17
AC43 said:
r11co said:
Andy Zarse said:
The top picture is perfectly true; he doesn't struggle. That's not left wing, nor right and nor is it offensive in any shape or form. Just a simple fact, and surely nobody is stupid enough to think SNP candidates wouldn't benefit in a similar fashion? If you think otherwise then, in typical metropolitan style, you really do have a low opinion of the intelligence of your countrymen.
Nice straw-man argument, but I do have a low opinion of those who were fooled by the sleight-of-hand. The facebook page I linked to above is testament to how many many people fell for it hook, line and sinker.There were even people around here publicly stating that, as a 'Red Tory', Douglas Alexander was responsible for the closure of the Linwood car factory (notwithstanding he was in high school at the time
).Edited by r11co on Wednesday 20th May 17:17
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