Mhairi Black's already broken protocol on the first day

[BlackLabel]

Funk said:

Bercow has to tell the SNP to '...respect the long-established traditions of the House..'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEsbdAddTa0

Ouch. You'd have thought someone would've told them some of the etiquette basics on day 1....!

If they carry on with the clapping nonsense Bercow will just make sure they get as few opportunities to speak as possible. 'The 56' are behaving like they've turned up on the set of Jeremy Kyle, I was defending them earlier but what an embarrassment they are to 50% of the Scottish electorate.

[AC43]

BlackLabel said:

Funk said:

Bercow has to tell the SNP to '...respect the long-established traditions of the House..'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEsbdAddTa0

Ouch. You'd have thought someone would've told them some of the etiquette basics on day 1....!

If they carry on with the clapping nonsense Bercow will just make sure they get as few opportunities to speak as possible. 'The 56' are behaving like they've turned up on the set of Jeremy Kyle, I was defending them earlier but what an embarrassment they are to 50% of the Scottish electorate.

Nesbitts

[davepoth]

BlackLabel said:

If they carry on with the clapping nonsense Bercow will just make sure they get as few opportunities to speak as possible. 'The 56' are behaving like they've turned up on the set of Jeremy Kyle, I was defending them earlier but what an embarrassment they are to 50% of the Scottish electorate.

Indeed he can. I guess he can throw them out of the house too, if they continue to be rowdy. I doubt that would go down too well though.

http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-informa...

[Beati Dogu]

If they've just turned up to behave like a bunch of obnoxious louts, then I think it's going to backfire on them.

[Strocky]

Seems the speaker isn't always against clapping in the HOC when it suits him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxWp-RHL6qo

Is Bercow against the clap because it reminds him of the wife?

But hey why clap when you can bray like a Blackpool donkey on milking day, much more civilised what what

[Welshbeef]

Strocky said:

Seems the speaker isn't always against clapping in the HOC when it suits him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxWp-RHL6qo

Is Bercow against the clap because it reminds him of the wife?

But hey why clap when you can bray like a Blackpool donkey on milking day, much more civilised what what

How the 50% of the Scottish voter who didn't vote SNP? What are SNP doing to include their wants and desires? They are utterly not represented and the SNP are claiming policies and views which is polar opposite to theirs.

Democracy eh

[neelyp]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Unless you have a two party system you never will.

[Disastrous]

Of all the things to moan about with the SNP, why on earth are people picking on minor breaches of some ancient protocol?

Who gives a st whether they clap, bray or fire off party poppers?? There are many more serious things to take issue with!

[ewenm]

Disastrous said:

Of all the things to moan about with the SNP, why on earth are people picking on minor breaches of some ancient protocol?

Who gives a st whether they clap, bray or fire off party poppers?? There are many more serious things to take issue with!

If the SNP want to have some influence they need to win some friends. Messing around like a bunch of kids on a school trip will not help build the alliances they'll need. If anyone who voted SNP cares about influencing policy, they should be very unhappy with the apparent attitude of their new representatives.

[neelyp]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

You're not being clear if you mean >50% of the electorate or >50% of the vote.
A two party system will always produce a result of a >50% winner (unless of course it's a dead heat) of the vote, though not always the electorate.

[IainT]

Welshbeef said:

Strocky said:

Seems the speaker isn't always against clapping in the HOC when it suits him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxWp-RHL6qo

Is Bercow against the clap because it reminds him of the wife?

But hey why clap when you can bray like a Blackpool donkey on milking day, much more civilised what what

How the 50% of the Scottish voter who didn't vote SNP? What are SNP doing to include their wants and desires? They are utterly not represented and the SNP are claiming policies and views which is polar opposite to theirs.

Democracy eh

Or the 73% percent that didn't vote Conservative? Same argument and just as pointelss, we have FPTP, not PR. % of vote is irrelevant.

Saying that the SNP, odious as they are, have a stronger mandate in the chilly north than any other UK party.


As a comment on the SNP behaving badly and not respecting traditions - traditions only need respecting when they are good or necessary traditions. Traditions that are neither should be discarded. IMO the way the HoC behaves needs radical change to modernise process and improve engagement with the electorate.

Just because the SNP are narrow minded bigots doesn't mean everything they do is narrow minded or bigoted.

[Mandalore]

IainT said:

Welshbeef said:

Strocky said:

Seems the speaker isn't always against clapping in the HOC when it suits him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxWp-RHL6qo

Is Bercow against the clap because it reminds him of the wife?

But hey why clap when you can bray like a Blackpool donkey on milking day, much more civilised what what

How the 50% of the Scottish voter who didn't vote SNP? What are SNP doing to include their wants and desires? They are utterly not represented and the SNP are claiming policies and views which is polar opposite to theirs.

Democracy eh

Or the 73% percent that didn't vote Conservative? Same argument and just as pointelss, we have FPTP, not PR. % of vote is irrelevant.

Saying that the SNP, odious as they are, have a stronger mandate in the chilly north than any other UK party.


As a comment on the SNP behaving badly and not respecting traditions - traditions only need respecting when they are good or necessary traditions. Traditions that are neither should be discarded. IMO the way the HoC behaves needs radical change to modernise process and improve engagement with the electorate.

Just because the SNP are narrow minded bigots doesn't mean everything they do is narrow minded or bigoted.

Rubbish!

This country has lost enough tradition-based values, due to infantile people who won't/are not socially inclined to:

- Hold open a door, for a lady or person with their hands full
- Give up a seat, to a person with a greater need than them.
- Or even worse stop eating nuts, when told there is a allergic person close by.

None of the above are laws, or written rules - they are traditional values, that underpin a civilised society.

So when an elected representative cannot be bothered to follow long standing traditions, what sort of message does that give everyone?


Nothing positive, or clever - that's for damn sure.

Edited by Mandalore on Thursday 28th May 11:06

[IainT]

Mandalore said:

IainT said:

Welshbeef said:

Strocky said:

Seems the speaker isn't always against clapping in the HOC when it suits him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxWp-RHL6qo

Is Bercow against the clap because it reminds him of the wife?

But hey why clap when you can bray like a Blackpool donkey on milking day, much more civilised what what

How the 50% of the Scottish voter who didn't vote SNP? What are SNP doing to include their wants and desires? They are utterly not represented and the SNP are claiming policies and views which is polar opposite to theirs.

Democracy eh

Or the 73% percent that didn't vote Conservative? Same argument and just as pointelss, we have FPTP, not PR. % of vote is irrelevant.

Saying that the SNP, odious as they are, have a stronger mandate in the chilly north than any other UK party.


As a comment on the SNP behaving badly and not respecting traditions - traditions only need respecting when they are good or necessary traditions. Traditions that are neither should be discarded. IMO the way the HoC behaves needs radical change to modernise process and improve engagement with the electorate.

Just because the SNP are narrow minded bigots doesn't mean everything they do is narrow minded or bigoted.

Rubbish!

This country has lost enough tradition-based values, due to infantile people who won't/are not socially inclined to:

- Hold open a door, for a lady or person with their hands full
- Give up a seat, to a person with a greater need than them.
- Or even worse stop eating nuts, when told there is a allergic person close by.

None of the above are laws, or written rules - they are traditional values, that underpin a civilised society.

So when an elected representative cannot be bothered to follow long standing traditions, what sort of message does that give everyone?


Nothing positive, or clever - that's for damn sure.

The things you listed are examples of GOOD traditions. Well, the first two, the third is just about being a decent person which has nothing to do with traditions and everything to do with manners.

Advocating upholding traditions just because they're traditions is willfully stupid. Utterly bonkers. Tradition would dictate:

• women don't vote
• domestic violence is ignores
• child abuse by the privileged is accepted
• the colour of your skin limits what you can achieve in society

fk tradition, do what's right instead.

[IainT]

Mandalore said:

- Hold open a door, for a lady or person with their hands full

Just to clarify... only when their hands are full if they're male? I often hold the door open for my male colleagues at work even when their hands are empty, am I defying the laws of tradition or just your take on them?

[Disastrous]

IainT said:

Mandalore said:

IainT said:

Welshbeef said:

Strocky said:

Seems the speaker isn't always against clapping in the HOC when it suits him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxWp-RHL6qo

Is Bercow against the clap because it reminds him of the wife?

But hey why clap when you can bray like a Blackpool donkey on milking day, much more civilised what what

How the 50% of the Scottish voter who didn't vote SNP? What are SNP doing to include their wants and desires? They are utterly not represented and the SNP are claiming policies and views which is polar opposite to theirs.

Democracy eh

Or the 73% percent that didn't vote Conservative? Same argument and just as pointelss, we have FPTP, not PR. % of vote is irrelevant.

Saying that the SNP, odious as they are, have a stronger mandate in the chilly north than any other UK party.


As a comment on the SNP behaving badly and not respecting traditions - traditions only need respecting when they are good or necessary traditions. Traditions that are neither should be discarded. IMO the way the HoC behaves needs radical change to modernise process and improve engagement with the electorate.

Just because the SNP are narrow minded bigots doesn't mean everything they do is narrow minded or bigoted.

Rubbish!

This country has lost enough tradition-based values, due to infantile people who won't/are not socially inclined to:

- Hold open a door, for a lady or person with their hands full
- Give up a seat, to a person with a greater need than them.
- Or even worse stop eating nuts, when told there is a allergic person close by.

None of the above are laws, or written rules - they are traditional values, that underpin a civilised society.

So when an elected representative cannot be bothered to follow long standing traditions, what sort of message does that give everyone?


Nothing positive, or clever - that's for damn sure.

The things you listed are examples of GOOD traditions. Well, the first two, the third is just about being a decent person which has nothing to do with traditions and everything to do with manners.

Advocating upholding traditions just because they're traditions is willfully stupid. Utterly bonkers. Tradition would dictate:

• women don't vote
• domestic violence is ignores
• child abuse by the privileged is accepted
• the colour of your skin limits what you can achieve in society

fk tradition, do what's right instead.

Absolutely bang on. Far more pressing things to worry about than what a bunch of stuffed old birds in dreadful suits think about a WOMAN daring to defy tradition in such a venerable and upstanding institution as the House of Commons.

[Gecko1978]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Well if you get 60% turn out and the winner gets a third of that so 20% out of total voters you can infer that the other 40% who did not vote did not mind that much who won. either they did not care or did not hate any enough to form there own party etc thus current goverment does represent the will of the people if not the voters

[ewenm]

Disastrous said:

Absolutely bang on. Far more pressing things to worry about than what a bunch of stuffed old birds in dreadful suits think about a WOMAN daring to defy tradition in such a venerable and upstanding institution as the House of Commons.

They've only got 56 MPs, so 8-9% or so. If they want to get things done that benefit them, they're going to need friends in other parties. When you start a new job you don't make friends and alliances by annoying everyone, you spend a bit of time forming relationships and when you've got a bit of support then you can start to change things.

The traditions might appear silly, but from a practical point of view it might be better to play along at first, rather than play up.

[Pan Pan Pan]

The SNP did state that they wanted to `shake up' Westminster. Since they cannot do this in terms of seats numbers and voting on issues, their behaviour so far, probably represents the best they will ever do / achieve, towards their stated aim

[BrabusMog]

IainT said:

Mandalore said:

- Hold open a door, for a lady or person with their hands full

Just to clarify... only when their hands are full if they're male? I often hold the door open for my male colleagues at work even when their hands are empty, am I defying the laws of tradition or just your take on them?

No, you're just being a poof.

[IainT]

BrabusMog said:

IainT said:

Mandalore said:

- Hold open a door, for a lady or person with their hands full

Just to clarify... only when their hands are full if they're male? I often hold the door open for my male colleagues at work even when their hands are empty, am I defying the laws of tradition or just your take on them?

No, you're just being a poof.

Nah, not possible I'm way too traditional for that.