Mhairi Black's already broken protocol on the first day

[BrabusMog]

[Mandalore]

IainT said:

Mandalore said:

- Hold open a door, for a lady or [b]person[/p] with their hands full

Just to clarify... only when their hands are full if they're male? I often hold the door open for my male colleagues at work even when their hands are empty, am I defying the laws of tradition or just your take on them?

Just to state the plainly obvious - NO.
Male/female, there is no difference.

I guess its true, that you cannot make things fool-proof after all.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Mandalore said:

IainT said:

Mandalore said:

- Hold open a door, for a lady or [b]person[/p] with their hands full

Just to clarify... only when their hands are full if they're male? I often hold the door open for my male colleagues at work even when their hands are empty, am I defying the laws of tradition or just your take on them?

Just to state the plainly obvious - NO.
Male/female, there is no difference.

I guess its true, that you cannot make things fool-proof after all.

It is not even tradition, it is just displaying a little respect to another human being, regardless of their age, gender, race, state of health etc. Of course if we don't like the particular human we can still always slam the door in their face!

[Mandalore]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Mandalore said:

IainT said:

Mandalore said:

- Hold open a door, for a lady or [b]person[/p] with their hands full

Just to clarify... only when their hands are full if they're male? I often hold the door open for my male colleagues at work even when their hands are empty, am I defying the laws of tradition or just your take on them?

Just to state the plainly obvious - NO.
Male/female, there is no difference.

I guess its true, that you cannot make things fool-proof after all.

It is not even tradition, it is just displaying a little respect to another human being, regardless of their age, gender, race, state of health etc. Of course if we don't like the particular human we can still always slam the door in their face!

Correct. And I think I referred to traditional values.

But the integrity value itself can be attributed to its long term adoption/use by people without a complex.

Holding the door for others, certainly isn't a new concept. Its an old one, that parents should insinuate into their kids upbringing.

[r11co]

Mandalore said:

This country has lost enough tradition-based values, due to infantile people who won't/are not socially inclined to:

- Hold open a door, for a lady or person with their hands full
- Give up a seat, to a person with a greater need than them.
- Or even worse stop eating nuts, when told there is a allergic person close by.

None of the above are laws, or written rules - they are traditional values, that underpin a civilised society.

So when an elected representative cannot be bothered to follow long standing traditions, what sort of message does that give everyone?


Nothing positive, or clever - that's for damn sure.

Hear here (see what I did there... )

[Gecko1978]

r11co said:

Hear here (see what I did there... )

funny i am not bothered they clapped it just means they look like fools its not a protest as such just ignorance. The SNP to a T really an know nothing party.

roll on setting income tax etc lets see what they do. My bet nothing at all.

[technodup]

Some Gump said:

The irony about Sturgeon shouting about democratic will is that she wasn't elected. This seems to escape her grasp when she repeatedly mouths off to the media

A brief hstory.

92 General Election - lost
97 General Election - lost
99 Scottish Election - lost - got in as the SNP wanted her even though voters didn't
03 Scottish Election - lost - see above
07 Scottish Election - won
11 Scottish Election - won
14 Referendum - lost
14 SNP Leadership - unchallenged
15 General Election - made a lot of noise on leaders debates but didn't stand

She can fk off lecturing anyone on democracy. Or anything else.

[Cheese Mechanic]

The simple fact remains, that courtesy does pay dividends. When entering a place of custom, then its courtesy to repond/respect that custom. The HoC has many, its the nature of the Beast.

Myself , I am not religous at all, yet when I visit a church on my travels , I always act respectfully, whether I am the only person there or not . ( study of village churches a summer persuit of mine).

In the same regard , I do not need to be prompted to take off my shoes if visiting a Mosque, or cover my head if a Sikh temple.

Basically, all the SNP are doing, are acting as they come across, a bunch of knuckle dragging s. That, is how they are going to be treated. They will reap what they sow.

[deadslow]

Cheese Mechanic said:

The simple fact remains, that courtesy does pay dividends................................... a bunch of knuckle dragging s. That, is how they are going to be treated.

Wow, very courteous.

[Cheese Mechanic]

deadslow said:

Wow, very courteous.

Indeed, I do know how to show restraint you know. They are acting as they come across, simple fact.

[Beati Dogu]

I wonder if they all sit in a group in the corner of the Commons bar sipping lager shandies together.

I'm sure they're just loving rubbing Labour's nose in it at the moment, but they need to grow up for their own sake.

[Roo]

Thought snakebite was their drink of choice.

[TheExcession]

r11co said:

Hear here (see what I did there... )

Here Hare Hear, or was it Hear Hare Here, or Here Hare Here...?

Tough one to call (or eat).

[AC43]

Beati Dogu said:

I wonder if they all sit in a group in the corner of the Commons bar sipping lager shandies together.

I think Irn Bru in the morning and Buckfast in the afternoon for that lot.

Beati Dogu said:

I'm sure they're just loving rubbing Labour's nose in it at the moment, but they need to grow up for their own sake.

I'm not sure anyone else gives a fig what they think.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Mandalore said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Mandalore said:

IainT said:

Mandalore said:

- Hold open a door, for a lady or [b]person[/p] with their hands full

Just to clarify... only when their hands are full if they're male? I often hold the door open for my male colleagues at work even when their hands are empty, am I defying the laws of tradition or just your take on them?

Just to state the plainly obvious - NO.
Male/female, there is no difference.

I guess its true, that you cannot make things fool-proof after all.

It is not even tradition, it is just displaying a little respect to another human being, regardless of their age, gender, race, state of health etc. Of course if we don't like the particular human we can still always slam the door in their face!

Correct. And I think I referred to traditional values.

But the integrity value itself can be attributed to its long term adoption/use by people without a complex.

Holding the door for others, certainly isn't a new concept. Its an old one, that parents should insinuate into their kids upbringing.

The old saying probably applies. Manners maketh the man. There is no need for any type, or class of person not to use good manners. But as a general rule it seems the more selfish, cloddish, a person is, the less likely they are likely to use good manners. In fact those that display the worst manners, or in some cases no manners at all, (and this applies on the roads as much as anywhere else) regardless of their wealth, social position etc, are just showing the world around them that no matter how good they `think' they, inside, they are really just very low class morons.

[Hol]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Mandalore said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Mandalore said:

IainT said:

Mandalore said:

- Hold open a door, for a lady or [b]person[/p] with their hands full

Just to clarify... only when their hands are full if they're male? I often hold the door open for my male colleagues at work even when their hands are empty, am I defying the laws of tradition or just your take on them?

Just to state the plainly obvious - NO.
Male/female, there is no difference.

I guess its true, that you cannot make things fool-proof after all.

It is not even tradition, it is just displaying a little respect to another human being, regardless of their age, gender, race, state of health etc. Of course if we don't like the particular human we can still always slam the door in their face!

Correct. And I think I referred to traditional values.

But the integrity value itself can be attributed to its long term adoption/use by people without a complex.

Holding the door for others, certainly isn't a new concept. Its an old one, that parents should insinuate into their kids upbringing.

The old saying probably applies. Manners maketh the man. There is no need for any type, or class of person not to use good manners. But as a general rule it seems the more selfish, cloddish, a person is, the less likely they are likely to use good manners. In fact those that display the worst manners, or in some cases no manners at all, (and this applies on the roads as much as anywhere else) regardless of their wealth, social position etc, are just showing the world around them that no matter how good they `think' they, inside, they are really just very low class morons.

I agree.

Also, when I was on a Gov & Politics school trip to the commons, the usher explained to us kids, how the benches worked, including the fact that the biggest opposition party take the first two, unless another party had tabled a question in advance for the session.
In fact it's all about having the correct people and their advisers at the front, for the weekly question session.

It does not take a NASA degree to consider that all new MP's are told how it works (and has worked). So, I call bullst on the innocent claims about no sign being there.

[r11co]

AC43 said:

I'm not sure anyone else gives a fig what they think.

I do, because they are playing to the stereotype image of the part of the country I reside in, and I do not want to be associated with their behaviour, nor do I want to see their divisive and dishonest form of politics achieving its stated goal.

The election of Ms. Black I find particularly offensive because she now 'represents' me, despite winning on a platform of lies and deceit.

Good enough reason?!

Edited by r11co on Friday 29th May 07:26

[rover 623gsi]

the biggest problem really is that HoC is not fit for purpose. It is designed for a two-party state - in fact when it was bombed in WWII Churchill resisted calls for the chamber to re-built in a circular fashion because he felt it was very important that the adversorial characteristics were retained.

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1943/oc...

There are two main characteristics of the House of Commons which will command the approval and the support of reflective and experienced Members. They will, I have no doubt, sound odd to foreign ears. The first is that its shape should be oblong and not semi-circular. Here is a very potent factor in our political life. The semi-circular assembly, which appeals to political theorists, enables every individual or every group to move round the centre, adopting various shades of pink according as the weather changes. I am a convinced supporter of the party system in preference to the group system. I have sewn many earnest and ardent Parliaments destroyed by the group system. The party system is much favoured by the oblong form of Chamber. It is easy for an individual to move through those insensible gradations from Left to Right but the act of crossing the Floor is one which requires serious consideration. I am well informed on this matter, for I have accomplished that difficult process, not only once but twice. Logic is a poor guide compared with custom. Logic which has created in so many countries semi-circular assemblies which have buildings which give to every Member, not only a seat to sit in but often a desk to write at, with a lid to bang, has proved fatal to Parliamentary Government as we know it here in its home and in the land of its birth.

The second characteristic of a Chamber formed on the lines of the House of Commons is that it should not be big enough to contain all its Members at once without over-crowding and that there should be no question of every Member having a separate seat reserved for him. The reason for this has long been a puzzle to uninstructed outsiders and has frequently excited the curiosity and even the criticism of new Members. Yet it is not so difficult to understand if you look at it from a practical point of view. If the House is big enough to contain all its Members, nine-tenths of its Debates will be conducted in the depressing atmosphere of an almost empty or half-empty Chamber. The essence of good House of Commons speaking is the conversational style, the facility for quick, informal interruptions and interchanges. Harangues from a rostrum would be a bad substitute for the conversational style in which so much of our business is done. But the conversational style requires a fairly small space, and there should be on great occasions a sense of crowd and urgency. There should be a sense of the importance of much that is said and a sense that great matters are being decided, there and then, by the House.

[Cheese Mechanic]

rover 623gsi said:

the biggest problem really is that HoC is not fit for purpose.

Bizarre, it seemed to function ok until a posse of morons entered the building.

[Strocky]

r11co said:

AC43 said:

I'm not sure anyone else gives a fig what they think.

I do, because they are playing to the stereotype image of the part of the country I reside in, and I do not want to be associated with their behaviour, nor do I want to see their divisive and dishonest form of politics achieving its stated goal.

The election of Ms. Black I find particularly offensive because she now 'represents' me, despite winning on a platform of lies and deceit.

Good enough reason?!

Edited by r11co on Friday 29th May 07:26

r11co said:

Thing is though, the SNP activists deliberately played to the ignorant, and came very close to breaking pre-election campaign rules with some of the bill-posters they scattered around the place (lacking identifying marks). I posted up an example of one earlier in the thread.

http://i.imgur.com/HvC6JeC.png

Aren't you the boy who replied to this quote with "big deal" after greeting about the SNP coming close (but not actually breaking) pre-election campaign rules?
I've got a blowtorch if you fancy shining your neck

Regarding the SNP's MP behaviour in the house, both Bercow & the uber Tory Jacob Rees-Mogg have both praised in the house the speeches and conduct of the SNP members so lets get some perspective to the PH bun fight on here ladies