Mhairi Black's already broken protocol on the first day

[greygoose]

Cheese Mechanic said:

rover 623gsi said:

the biggest problem really is that HoC is not fit for purpose.

Bizarre, it seemed to function ok until a posse of morons entered the building.

Did it? PMQs has been dire for years with MPs of all sides behaving like children. The rest of the time it appears to be virtually empty.

[Cheese Mechanic]

greygoose said:

Did it? PMQs has been dire for years with MPs of all sides behaving like children. The rest of the time it appears to be virtually empty.

Thats all to do with its practicioners and nothing to do with the building/parliament itself.

[r11co]

Strocky said:

Aren't you the boy who replied to this quote with "big deal" after greeting about the SNP coming close (but not actually breaking) pre-election campaign rules?

SNP v Carmichael

OK, let's summarise shall we. No breach of pre-election campaign rules by Alistair Carmichael because Nicola Sturgeon was not actually standing for election, and the enquiry establishes that the content of the leaked statement was actually true. Both facts now a matter of record regardless of how the media (mis)report them or what Nicola Sturgeon wants to say in public.

So, that's two lies by the SNP compared to one breach of protocol by a Lib-Dem.

The SNP have no credibility except in the eyes of their cultist supporters and the knuckledragging element who voted for them in the belief they would get jam in return.

Kind of makes my earlier reaction irrelevant.

Take your blowtorch and shove it up your arse.

Edited by r11co on Friday 29th May 12:58

[Pan Pan Pan]

r11co said:

AC43 said:

I'm not sure anyone else gives a fig what they think.

I do, because they are playing to the stereotype image of the part of the country I reside in, and I do not want to be associated with their behaviour, nor do I want to see their divisive and dishonest form of politics achieving its stated goal.

The election of Ms. Black I find particularly offensive because she now 'represents' me, despite winning on a platform of lies and deceit.

Good enough reason?!

Edited by r11co on Friday 29th May 07:26

But look on the bright side, she did tip Douglas Alexander out of his seat

[r11co]

Pan Pan Pan said:

But look on the bright side, she did tip Douglas Alexander out of his seat

I'd rather have 'wee Dougie' than 'hairy Mhairi' thanks very much.

[Andy Zarse]

r11co said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

But look on the bright side, she did tip Douglas Alexander out of his seat

I'd rather have 'wee Dougie' than 'hairy Mhairi' thanks very much.

I, and millions of other folk, would sooner have neither of these gonads.

[Strocky]

r11co said:

Strocky said:

Aren't you the boy who replied to this quote with "big deal" after greeting about the SNP coming close (but not actually breaking) pre-election campaign rules?

SNP v Carmichael

OK, let's summarise shall we. No breach of pre-election campaign rules by Alistair Carmichael because Nicola Sturgeon was not actually standing for election, and the enquiry establishes that the content of the leaked statement was actually true. Both facts now a matter of record regardless of how the media (mis)report them or what Nicola Sturgeon wants to say in public.

So, that's two lies by the SNP compared to one breach of protocol by a Lib-Dem.

The SNP have no credibility except in the eyes of their cultist supporters and the knuckledragging element who voted for them in the belief they would get jam in return.

Kind of makes my earlier reaction irrelevant.

Take your blowtorch and shove it up your arse.

Edited by r11co on Friday 29th May 12:58

Ah a classic case of whatabouttery, so lets get this straight, based on the following facts the unionists are vindicating themselves on the memo in the face off -:

Sturgeon denies the quotes attributed
French ambassador denies the quotes attributed
The guy reporting a 3rd hand account doubts the veracity of the account in the memo
Alistair Carmichael in his apology states verbatim ""I accept that its publication was a serious breach of protocol and that the details of that account are not correct

Unless you are now asserting that NS and the SNP have enough pull to manipulate the French Embassy, the UK FO and the Scottish Lib Dems?

At the end of the day it doesn't matter a jot if technically he hasn't broken any parliamentary rules (I particularity liked the premise that it's ok to lie to the electorate but entirely another matter to lie to parliament) the constituents of Orkney (many who voted for him) want him out on his corpulent arse

Angry wee fella 'aint ye

[r11co]

Andy Zarse said:

I, and millions of other folk, would sooner have neither of these gonads.

It is possible to separate a person from their politics, and on that basis I preferred Douglas Alexander as my MP. He was an ever present and active figure in the constituency he represented, an approachable person who took the time to meet with constituents and would happily stop to talk to every 'Joe Punter' in the supermarket who would engage him.

Any public event in the community, whether it was the Commonwealth Games baton coming through the town or a school fete he would be there without hogging the limelight. This despite him also holding down a Labour front-bench position.

Mhairi Black on the other hand seems to think that all there is to being a representative of her constituency is standing on a flat-bed trailer shouting at people.

[r11co]

Strocky said:

Sturgeon denies the quotes attributed
French ambassador denies the quotes attributed
The guy reporting a 3rd hand account doubts the veracity of the account in the memo
Alistair Carmichael in his apology states verbatim ""I accept that its publication was a serious breach of protocol and that the details of that account are not correct

Another SNP cultist stranger to the truth.

Scottish Office Leak Enquiry - Cabinet Office inquiry statement

Paragraph 3 said:

the memo was an accurate record of the conversation

Irrelevant anyway, as hindsight has proven.

By all means keep going at it full beans though Strocky, because you and your ilk will overplay your hand eventually.

Edited by r11co on Friday 29th May 15:07

[Strocky]

r11co said:

Strocky said:

Sturgeon denies the quotes attributed
French ambassador denies the quotes attributed
The guy reporting a 3rd hand account doubts the veracity of the account in the memo
Alistair Carmichael in his apology states verbatim ""I accept that its publication was a serious breach of protocol and that the details of that account are not correct

Another SNP cultist stranger to the truth.

Scottish Office Leak Enquiry - Cabinet Office inquiry statement

Paragraph 3 said:

the memo was an accurate record of the conversation

Irrelevant anyway, as hindsight has proven.

By all means keep going at it full beans though Strocky, because you and your ilk will overplay your hand eventually.

Edited by r11co on Friday 29th May 15:07

Me and my ilk

You may as well posted la la la la la I'm not listening with the rest of your diatribe

Anyway Carmichael has a case to answer as legal action has be launched against him by his own constituents

http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/1321679-bid-to...

[r11co]

Strocky said:

Anyway Carmichael has a case to answer as legal action has be launched against him by his own constituents

http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/1321679-bid-to...

The People Vs Alistair Carmichael, "a non-political group"?! By definition they are a political group as they are challenging an elected politician with intent to influence his position.

What they might have meant was non-aligned political group, but that then might have led to the exposure of another SNP lie.

Carmichael Witchunt

Seeking to influence his position in matters that do not concern politics is conniving and sinister, descriptions synonymous with the SNP these days, but then a party that shields its own proven liars has no shame.

PS. Stroky - let's hear what you've got to say about wholly devolved education (in decline) and health (spending cut) in Scotland under 8 years of SNP rule.

Edited by r11co on Friday 29th May 19:09

[///ajd]

The memo

The investigation team interviewed the civil servant in the Scotland Office who produced the memo. He confirmed under questioning that he believed that the memo was an accurate record of the conversation that took place between him and the French Consul General, and highlighted that the memo had stated that part of the conversation between the French Ambassador and the First Minister might well have been “lost in translation”.

Senior officials who have worked with him say that he is reliable and has no history of inaccurate reporting, impropriety or security lapses. The Cabinet Secretary has concluded that there is no reason to doubt that he recorded accurately what he thought he had heard. There is no evidence of any political motivation or ‘dirty tricks’.



....

so it is accurate, and it is what the French Consul General appears to think what was said between the FM and FA. Interesting that the civil servant was cleared of any spin or bias etc. too.

They say there is no smoke without fire; seems pretty obviously the case here.

only think alistair did wrong was to deny he leaked - he should have just said "yes I leaked it as it seems to suggest the FM is a liar". SNP in porky pie shocker! Next.

[AC43]

r11co said:

AC43 said:

I'm not sure anyone else gives a fig what they think.

I do, because they are playing to the stereotype image of the part of the country I reside in, and I do not want to be associated with their behaviour, nor do I want to see their divisive and dishonest form of politics achieving its stated goal.

The election of Ms. Black I find particularly offensive because she now 'represents' me, despite winning on a platform of lies and deceit.

Good enough reason?!

Edited by r11co on Friday 29th May 07:26

Yes, fair enough. And it does bother me too; as a Scot living in London I spend a fair amount of time trying to explain that not everyone north of the border is a blue-faced Nesbitt.

And I also find myself trying not to fall out with the small part of my family that actually believes the bollx that that lot come out with. Debate and financial facts don't seem to come into it much.....

[carinaman]

Seems this Police & Crime Commissioner wants Carmichael held to account or rubbished:

https://twitter.com/kvnbhrly1

[NicD]

///ajd said:

The memo

The investigation team interviewed the civil servant in the Scotland Office who produced the memo. He confirmed under questioning that he believed that the memo was an accurate record of the conversation that took place between him and the French Consul General, and highlighted that the memo had stated that part of the conversation between the French Ambassador and the First Minister might well have been “lost in translation”.

Senior officials who have worked with him say that he is reliable and has no history of inaccurate reporting, impropriety or security lapses. The Cabinet Secretary has concluded that there is no reason to doubt that he recorded accurately what he thought he had heard. There is no evidence of any political motivation or ‘dirty tricks’.

....

so it is accurate, and it is what the French Consul General appears to think what was said between the FM and FA. Interesting that the civil servant was cleared of any spin or bias etc. too.

They say there is no smoke without fire; seems pretty obviously the case here.

only think alistair did wrong was to deny he leaked - he should have just said "yes I leaked it as it seems to suggest the FM is a liar". SNP in porky pie shocker! Next.

Exactly, and if the memo had been accurate, making it public seems in the public interest.

Many (all?) politicians lie, and leak to the press.

Why the obsession with this?

[r11co]

NicD said:

Why the obsession with this?

Because this is how the SNP work - incessant overweening hounding of the opposition to distract attention from their own greater failings. Unfortunately the tactic has been very successful so far as it panders to the lesser members' of society's appetite for a fight.

Edited by r11co on Saturday 30th May 11:23

[NicD]

r11co said:

NicD said:

Why the obsession with this?

Because this is how the SNP work - incessant overweening hounding of the opposition to distract attention from their own greater failings. Unfortunately the tactic has been very successful so far as it panders to the lesser members' of society's appetite for a fight.

Edited by r11co on Saturday 30th May 11:23

Sorry, you got me wrong, I mean why are we tolerating the SNP to make so much of so little?

[Elroy Blue]

marshal_alan said:

here is Mhairi's 1st week diary thanks to bbc scotlandshire, should either give you a laugh or a heart attack

http://bbc.scotlandshire.co.uk/index.php/city-news...

That is just downright scary. She's going to be influencing the future of our country.

[greygoose]

Elroy Blue said:

marshal_alan said:

here is Mhairi's 1st week diary thanks to bbc scotlandshire, should either give you a laugh or a heart attack

http://bbc.scotlandshire.co.uk/index.php/city-news...

That is just downright scary. She's going to be influencing the future of our country.

Even scarier if you believe it is true......

[r11co]

NicD said:

Sorry, you got me wrong, I mean why are we tolerating the SNP to make so much of so little?

I think you got me wrong!

Making 'so much out of so little' is exactly the sort of approach that SNP activists (no-one pretends that they are fringe operators anymore since Neil Hay was outed as one of the vile 'Cybernats' but allowed to keep his nomination as a candidate) use to hound, libel and eventually destroy anyone they regard as the enemy, and of course the enemy is anyone who does not support their cult.

As I said though, they appeal to the Scots mob mentality - the same sort of people who joined (drug dealer, loan shark and gangland family matriarch) 'Mad' Mags Haney's 'campaign' against paedophiles.

Thugs, lowlife and scumbags calling out politicians, then taking their jobs. That's the SNP.

Edited by r11co on Saturday 30th May 17:58