The BBC at it again - EU referendum

[anonymous-user]

Esseesse said:

Also the CBI receives large amounts of EU money. Their opinion should be ignored.

By the same token, UKIP MEPs receive large amounts of EU money. So their opinions should be ignored as well?

[Esseesse]

Greg66 said:

Esseesse said:

Also the CBI receives large amounts of EU money. Their opinion should be ignored.

By the same token, UKIP MEPs receive large amounts of EU money. So their opinions should be ignored as well?

If they were making an argument that was in their financial interest then their motives should certainly be questioned. They're arguing to be made redundant though.

[Scuffers]

Greg66 said:

Esseesse said:

Also the CBI receives large amounts of EU money. Their opinion should be ignored.

By the same token, UKIP MEPs receive large amounts of EU money. So their opinions should be ignored as well?

stupid argument.

all MEP's (and MP's) are paid, so by your logic, none should be able to vote?

CBI should not be taking money from the EU (or anybody else but their members).

[jurbie]

Ian Geary said:

I expect Poland will follow type with every other developed country so far, and find people from a less developed country to do their stty work for them, who view the relative peanuts being offered to them as "a fortune" back home.

It's already happening, I was in Hungary a while ago and the place was full of Albanians all doing the crappy jobs no one else wanted to do.

Ian Geary said:

The thing bugging me about the Eu referendum is this In/Out binary choice. Of those 2, I would vote to stay in. But I would vote for an option 3 of reverting to a free trade area with movement of capital/people/trade allowed.

Apparently the EU and the single market are two seperate things so we can leave the EU but stay in the single market. I'm not sure how it works but there was some mention of it over on Richard Norths blog.

[anonymous-user]

Esseesse said:

Greg66 said:

Esseesse said:

Also the CBI receives large amounts of EU money. Their opinion should be ignored.

By the same token, UKIP MEPs receive large amounts of EU money. So their opinions should be ignored as well?

If they were making an argument that was in their financial interest then their motives should certainly be questioned. They're arguing to be made redundant though.

"Motives should certainly be questioned" is about as high as I think you can fairly put the CBI's position. "Ignored" is too high, and sounds like you're shutting out from the debate views that you just don't like.

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

stupid argument.

all MEP's (and MP's) are paid, so by your logic, none should be able to vote?

CBI should not be taking money from the EU (or anybody else but their members).

Things may often appear stupid if you don't understand them.

[tangerine_sedge]

fido said:

^Just £3m for R&D? Says "£22million over a seven-year period from the EU’s communications budget" in the article below!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2975005/Br...

tangerine_sedge said:

I think it's attempting to be fair ..

Do you think the 'The Great European Disaster Movie' sponsored by the EU is fair?

I've seen various amounts bandied around for work that the EU has commissioned the BBC to do for them. The article I read only mentioned £3m, but it looks like other parts of the BBC had other contracts. Do you think that the BBC should not chase grants to subsidise its work? Just because the BBC takes these grants doesn't mean that it's impacted its editorial policy, if you have direct evidence of this then please highlight it.

It seems like the EU paid for some post-production dubbing (presumably so it could be broadcast in other countries) for 'The Great European Disaster Movie'. It doesn't look like it had any editorial input whatsoever.

Lots of different public bodies get EU grants, are they all pro-EU mouthpieces, or do they see an opportunity to get free money to fund their activities?

Do you think that the BBC should not make or broadcast pieces like this? It seems to me that the BBC should be central in raising the in-out issues and this includes dramatisations and what-if pieces like this. Some will be pro-EU and some will be pro-Brexit.

[Scuffers]

tangerine_sedge said:

Do you think that the BBC should not make or broadcast pieces like this? It seems to me that the BBC should be central in raising the in-out issues and this includes dramatisations and what-if pieces like this.

no.

BBC is the British Broadcasting Corp, not the EU Broadcasting corp.

it's got no mandate to produce stuff for ANO country or the EU.

if some other country wants to use BBC material, that's what BBC worldwide is for, as a separate commercial engagement, ie, they do the job, they send an invoice and get paid for it.

[Jinx]

tangerine_sedge said:

I've seen various amounts bandied around for work that the EU has commissioned the BBC to do for them. The article I read only mentioned £3m, but it looks like other parts of the BBC had other contracts. Do you think that the BBC should not chase grants to subsidise its work? Just because the BBC takes these grants doesn't mean that it's impacted its editorial policy, if you have direct evidence of this then please highlight it.

It seems like the EU paid for some post-production dubbing (presumably so it could be broadcast in other countries) for 'The Great European Disaster Movie'. It doesn't look like it had any editorial input whatsoever.

Lots of different public bodies get EU grants, are they all pro-EU mouthpieces, or do they see an opportunity to get free money to fund their activities?

Do you think that the BBC should not make or broadcast pieces like this? It seems to me that the BBC should be central in raising the in-out issues and this includes dramatisations and what-if pieces like this. Some will be pro-EU and some will be pro-Brexit.

So how much do we see on the BBC about the strikes in Germany, the riots in Sweden the problems across Portugal, Greece and the other indentured Southern European countries?

[tangerine_sedge]

Jinx said:

So how much do we see on the BBC about the strikes in Germany, the riots in Sweden the problems across Portugal, Greece and the other indentured Southern European countries?

And how much do you see on any of the other news channels?

[Foppo]

Why overstating the power of the BBC?

When there is a referendum listen to both arguments for and against.Then we can make up our minds.The majority of big employers are for the E.U.If you work for one of them if will influence your vote if it affects your job.

People will look after number one and their families. Would Nissan stay in New Castle if we where out the E.U and inport charges went up for cars into mainland Europe.

The main reason Nissan came to the North East because of business into Europe.These companies aren't here because they like us so much.>

[deltaevo16]

The main reason Nissan came to the North East because of business into Europe.These companies aren't here because they like us so much.>
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I think the main reason Nissan came here was that a certain Lady prime Minister gave them a massive tax break to do so.

[NoNeed]

deltaevo16 said:

The main reason Nissan came to the North East because of business into Europe.These companies aren't here because they like us so much.>

I think the main reason Nissan came here was that a certain Lady prime Minister gave them a massive tax break to do so.

And I doubt they will want to close one of the most productive plants in the world to open one in france.

[PRTVR]

Foppo said:

Why overstating the power of the BBC?

When there is a referendum listen to both arguments for and against.Then we can make up our minds.The majority of big employers are for the E.U.If you work for one of them if will influence your vote if it affects your job.

People will look after number one and their families. Would Nissan stay in New Castle if we where out the E.U and inport charges went up for cars into mainland Europe.

The main reason Nissan came to the North East because of business into Europe.These companies aren't here because they like us so much.>

Give the scare tactics a miss, they do not work, Nissan CEO said he would have to consider the position of the plant in Sunderland if we did not join the Euro, we did not join and they are still here, its funny we are listening to bankers now when they warning of job losses, that right the trustworthy bankers who have just been fined massively for fiddling, why is nobody coming up with positive things about the future inside the EU? Is it because there isn't any?

[Mojocvh]

Greg66 said:

Mojocvh said:

Well they manipulated the election very well this this will be a walk in the park.

The trouble is not Europe, not the population, not trade, it's the encroaching, hidden, undemocratic policy making.

Edited by Mojocvh on Wednesday 20th May 14:21

And they missed that story you made up about the Russian sub in the Clyde. How st is that?

Here is a report [from one of your favourite sources as well]


http://rt.com/uk/221107-russian-submarine-mod-scot...

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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sp...

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mod-...

finally, a map of the Firth for the ignorant..

[Mojocvh]

Justayellowbadge said:

Mojocvh said:

Well they manipulated the election very well this this will be a walk in the park.

Grow up.

Or, if you actually believe that, see a psychiatrist, you delusional mental.

If you take an overview of the coverage, there certainly was a degree of negative psychology at work. In fact it is evidenced in the latter pages these PH threads

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

and this one

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

One wonders if the thread originators will [ever] care to elaborate

[IainT]

Jasandjules said:

Does anyone truly believe we will have an honest or fair vote? Does anyone believe that no matter what, the answer will be to stay...

Of course the referendum will be fair. It will also be free.

Both camps will present their views. The view presented by a camp will be entirely biased, play down inconvenient opposing facts and exaggerate benefits.

Then, and here's where it gets messy, the population will have a vote.

The real problem is there's no way of knowing the long-term impact that either outcome will yield and if it will be worse or better than the alternative would have yielded.

[Scuffers]

IainT said:

Of course the referendum will be fair. It will also be free.

on what planet are you from?

next you will be telling us that no lies will be told in the run up to it.

[anonymous-user]

Mojocvh said:

Here is a report [from one of your favourite sources as well]


http://rt.com/uk/221107-russian-submarine-mod-scot...

und

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sp...

und

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mod-...

finally, a map of the Firth for the ignorant..

On 14 May 2015 Mojocvh said:

Well that WAS a succinct interview, totally spun out of proportion by the BBC et al.

Amazing.

In the meantime: Soviet submarine being hunted in the Clyde estuary...what about that tories??

Where is the estuary on your map, exactly?

Your articles are from December 2015 and Jan 2015, btw.

[IainT]

Scuffers said:

IainT said:

Of course the referendum will be fair. It will also be free.

on what planet are you from?

next you will be telling us that no lies will be told in the run up to it.

Don't be such a daft bugger.

IainT said:

Both camps will present their views. The view presented by a camp will be entirely biased, play down inconvenient opposing facts and exaggerate benefits.

Quote all relevant bits please - both view points will spin it to support their view. It's up to you to decide where the real truth lies or the truth from the lies.

It will be free and fair - no one will force me to vote in a specific direction and my vote will be counted at least once.