The BBC at it again - EU referendum

The BBC at it again - EU referendum

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Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Greg66 said:
Mojocvh said:
Here is a report [from one of your favourite sources as well]


http://rt.com/uk/221107-russian-submarine-mod-scot...

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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sp...

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mod-...

finally, a map of the Firth for the ignorant..

On 14 May 2015 Mojocvh said:
Well that WAS a succinct interview, totally spun out of proportion by the BBC et al.

Amazing.

In the meantime: Soviet submarine being hunted in the Clyde estuary...what about that tories??
Where is the estuary on your map, exactly?

Your articles are from December 2015 and Jan 2015, btw.
I thought my reply was quite reasonable considering your [usual] turn of abuse.

You can purchase colour monitors, helpful as almost everything uses colour to define and convey information nowadays...

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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IainT said:
Quote all relevant bits please - both view points will spin it to support their view. It's up to you to decide where the real truth lies or the truth from the lies.

It will be free and fair - no one will force me to vote in a specific direction and my vote will be counted at least once.
so, you do not believe the BBC has any influence on the views of the general population?

IainT

10,040 posts

237 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Scuffers said:
IainT said:
Quote all relevant bits please - both view points will spin it to support their view. It's up to you to decide where the real truth lies or the truth from the lies.

It will be free and fair - no one will force me to vote in a specific direction and my vote will be counted at least once.
so, you do not believe the BBC has any influence on the views of the general population?
Eh? My response (that you part-quoted) to J&J's view didn't mention the BBC. His (or her or their) assertion was that the vote wouldn't be honest and fair. Both sides will promote their view, the vote will not be meddled with. Couldn't be more honest or fair.

I suspect that, on review, the BBC will manage a more balanced view than most other media. The newspapers will take a stance based on their owner's views and desires and promote that. The BBC will tie itself up in knots trying to be fair. It's not possible for it to be truly balanced unless it reports nothing. We, and the BBC, know it's left-biased. Not hugely but it's inherent and acknowledged given journalists left-leaning attitudes.

Also: One side of the argument will make more sense than the other given the circumstances at the time. This will give rise to the other side raising claims of bias that just aren't there... see the SNP claims when their arguments were shown to be utter tosh during the neverendum.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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IainT said:
Eh? My response (that you part-quoted) to J&J's view didn't mention the BBC. His (or her or their) assertion was that the vote wouldn't be honest and fair. Both sides will promote their view, the vote will not be meddled with. Couldn't be more honest or fair.

I suspect that, on review, the BBC will manage a more balanced view than most other media. The newspapers will take a stance based on their owner's views and desires and promote that. The BBC will tie itself up in knots trying to be fair. It's not possible for it to be truly balanced unless it reports nothing. We, and the BBC, know it's left-biased. Not hugely but it's inherent and acknowledged given journalists left-leaning attitudes.

Also: One side of the argument will make more sense than the other given the circumstances at the time. This will give rise to the other side raising claims of bias that just aren't there... see the SNP claims when their arguments were shown to be utter tosh during the neverendum.
may I suggest you checkout the thread subject title?

BBC could not be balanced if their collective lives depended on it.

every time the subject comes up, it's always pro-EU, god, even BBC2 vine today, all pro-EU comments, only one person not pro-EU and he was pretty much cut off short.


IainT

10,040 posts

237 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Scuffers said:
may I suggest you checkout the thread subject title?
May I suggest you look up 'discussion'? wink

Bias in the BBC on the EU referendum will go both ways depending on the individual and editorial teams. I suspect it will reflect society quite well with a pro-EU stance being most common and winning the referendum.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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IainT said:
Bias in the BBC on the EU referendum will go both ways depending on the individual and editorial teams. I suspect it will reflect society quite well with a pro-EU stance being most common and winning the referendum.
you're dreaming again..

I can't think of a single part of the BBC that's anti-EU?

The news and current affairs teams are all on the same jobs carousel as the Guardian FFS.

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Mojocvh said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Mojocvh said:
Well they manipulated the election very well this this will be a walk in the park.
Grow up.

Or, if you actually believe that, see a psychiatrist, you delusional mental.
If you take an overview of the coverage, there certainly was a degree of negative psychology at work. In fact it is evidenced in the latter pages these PH threads

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

and this one

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

One wonders if the thread originators will [ever] care to elaborate scratchchin
Saying that the BBC is institutionally biased is not the same as claiming that the election result was manipulated. In any case, if they did try, they failed - the Tories won.

Of course, your complaint is that the nasty MSM plotted against UKIP. UKIP seems to be good at plotting against UKIP all on its own!

Edited by Zod on Thursday 21st May 16:18

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Zod said:
Saying that the BBC is institutionally biased is not the same as claiming that the election result was manipulated.
very true...

there are however, other issues to contend with (Tower hamlets anyone?)

Timmy40

Original Poster:

12,915 posts

197 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Zod said:
Saying that the BBC is institutionally biased is not the same as claiming that the election result was manipulated.
Quite. However what it does say to me is that if voters both for and against are compelled to pay a license fee, then the least the BBC can do it to be genuinely impartial, otherwise it's a bit insulting to be forced to pay for media content to be produced and disseminated which is clearly biased towards the EU camp.

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Scuffers said:
Zod said:
Saying that the BBC is institutionally biased is not the same as claiming that the election result was manipulated.
very true...

there are however, other issues to contend with (Tower hamlets anyone?)
Tower Hamlets and Bradford West are indeed pits of corruption, but I don't think the BBC can be blamed there.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Zod said:
Tower Hamlets and Bradford West are indeed pits of corruption, but I don't think the BBC can be blamed there.
blamed, no.

they could, however, do a lot more to investigate & report on it, they are supposed to employ journalists!

TTwiggy

11,500 posts

203 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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In the run-up to this election, and in the wake of the Euro elections, it seemed almost impossible to switch on the TV (on any channel) and not see Nigel Farage (aka THE MASTER) staring at me with his big fishy eyes. If the Beed did in fact offer less coverage of Ukip that the other channels it will have been a blessed relief.

PRTVR

7,073 posts

220 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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http://www.theeuroprobe.org/2014-043-bbc-receives-...

Its interesting that the BBC did not list the funding from the EU, but it had to be obtained by using a freedom of information request.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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TTwiggy said:
In the run-up to this election, and in the wake of the Euro elections, it seemed almost impossible to switch on the TV (on any channel) and not see Nigel Farage (aka THE MASTER) staring at me with his big fishy eyes. If the Beed did in fact offer less coverage of Ukip that the other channels it will have been a blessed relief.
you're working on your perceptions and then suggesting that being on the BBC is a positive thing?

I would suggest that whilst he was 'covered' as much as the other major party leaders, he was usually given a much harder time.

you only had to watch the Evan Davis interviews to see that.

DJRC

23,563 posts

235 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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You think Farage was treated harsher than CMD or Milliband??? Seriously???

CMD has been lambasted from left to right with half his party, commentators and supporters openly discussing his successors when he has to quit because he couldn't win an election. Red Ed only got an uplift in PR when he managed to do better than expected in the first 3 week of the campaign because EVERYBODY expected him to be utterly useless. Even that stopped two weeks out with the kitchens and the Ed Stone.

Farage and Nicola walked all over this election. They were equal status headline acts with the main 3 guys, hell they blew Clegg off the media map. The questioning of Farage just played straight into his hands, he lapped it up and spun it into 4m votes, dozens more of council seats across Europe and pretty much ensured the next two yrs UKIP will be dominating the political agenda. And what's more the BBC and Sky and every other media outlet love Farage - because he sells copy. The more controversial they can enable him to be the more he will garner them coverage.

rs1952

5,247 posts

258 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Scuffers said:
Zod said:
Tower Hamlets and Bradford West are indeed pits of corruption, but I don't think the BBC can be blamed there.
blamed, no.

they could, however, do a lot more to investigate & report on it, they are supposed to employ journalists!
Scuffs, have you ever stopped to wonder why there is exactly the right amount of news every day to fill every newspaper and TV news broadcast?

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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DJRC said:
You think Farage was treated harsher than CMD or Milliband??? Seriously???

CMD has been lambasted from left to right with half his party, commentators and supporters openly discussing his successors when he has to quit because he couldn't win an election. Red Ed only got an uplift in PR when he managed to do better than expected in the first 3 week of the campaign because EVERYBODY expected him to be utterly useless. Even that stopped two weeks out with the kitchens and the Ed Stone.

Farage and Nicola walked all over this election. They were equal status headline acts with the main 3 guys, hell they blew Clegg off the media map. The questioning of Farage just played straight into his hands, he lapped it up and spun it into 4m votes, dozens more of council seats across Europe and pretty much ensured the next two yrs UKIP will be dominating the political agenda. And what's more the BBC and Sky and every other media outlet love Farage - because he sells copy. The more controversial they can enable him to be the more he will garner them coverage.
are you for real?

you may want to listen to them again:

Farage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uQl2Qh3IGA
Millipede: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lklwne_3C-g
CMD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZvpe2kwz8o


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/23/ten-rea...

rs1952 said:
Scuffs, have you ever stopped to wonder why there is exactly the right amount of news every day to fill every newspaper and TV news broadcast?
I have no idea what your getting at?


DJRC

23,563 posts

235 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Yes Scuffs I am for real, unlike you though I'm a fairly middle of the road politics chap.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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DJRC said:
Yes Scuffs I am for real, unlike you though I'm a fairly middle of the road politics chap.
OK, are you trying to say I am some sort of rabid fanatic?

Go for it, what brush are you going to try and tar me with?

PS. did you actually re-watch them?

rs1952

5,247 posts

258 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Scuffers said:
rs1952 said:
Scuffs, have you ever stopped to wonder why there is exactly the right amount of news every day to fill every newspaper and TV news broadcast?
I have no idea what your getting at?
I am disappointed but not surprised about that smile

But let's look at the full quote:

rs1952 said:
Scuffers said:
Zod said:
Tower Hamlets and Bradford West are indeed pits of corruption, but I don't think the BBC can be blamed there.
blamed, no.

they could, however, do a lot more to investigate & report on it, they are supposed to employ journalists!
Scuffs, have you ever stopped to wonder why there is exactly the right amount of news every day to fill every newspaper and TV news broadcast?
The BBC and of course every other media outlet employs journalists, but those journalists don't have a say in what goes into the final newspaper or news broadcast. The Editor does. And the Editor will weigh up a number of factors; availability of space in the newspaper or news broadcasts, the significance/ priority/ importance of any particular story on the day, and the potential public interest in that story.

You have no doubt heard of the old adage "its a good day to bury bad news." When something monumental has happened, such as a plane crash, a tsunami, a stock market meltdown etc, no media organisation is going to put a story about the virtual extinction of hedgehogs in the UK on the front page, or indeed anywhere else in the paper. To stop going off on further flights of example and get to the point, there may well be issues in Tower Hamlets and Bradford West, but they are not going to get into the spotlight just because they have happened, if the Editorial decision is that people are more interested in other things.

The newspapers and the commercial TV channels have pressure put upon them that the BBC doesn't - the papers need to sell papers and both need to sell advertising space. The BBC has pressure put upon it that the commercial news outlets don't; politicians, all of whom think that the BBC is biased against them. When labour is in power, they are convinced that the BBC has a tory bias, and vice versa.

It is an interviewers job to challenge the views of the person being interviewed. If you and I were sitting across the table from Jeremy Vine or Andrew Marr or whoever and having a discussion about Europe, both of us would put our viewpoints. The interviewer would then move on:

"Well Mr Scuffers, he's right, isn't he? Staying within the EU is a good thing." You would then get the chance to try to shoot my argument down in flames.

Then:

"Well Mr 1952, there you have it. We'd be far better off out of the EU, wouldn't we?" Then I get my chance to try to knock holes in your argument.

The fact that the interviewer has not simply agreed with you does not make the interviewer biased. It makes him or her good at their job.

What politicians do not do if they've got any sense is to get rankled when their views are challenged. In my humble opinion, when Farage went off on his "left wing BBC bias" rant, it probably lost UKIP at least a couple of seats. Even if he truly believed that it was true, coming out with it made him look like a petulant arse who wasn't getting an easy ride.