Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
Troubleatmill said:
Urm...
Over 40,000 people from the Vatican have signed the petition. Total Population is around 450.
Over 20,000 people from North Korea have signed the petition.
Now... a really sharp guy like you.... do you think it is legit - or arse gravy?
And one guy on Reddit - has admitted to hacking the site- and keeps adding signatories.
IIRC - he provided some proof this morning.
IIRC2 - Someone posted up it was closer to 360,000 people signed the petition without the aid of spam bots.
Not to mention the guy who started it is an English Democrat who intended it to be used the other way around, if remain had won.Over 40,000 people from the Vatican have signed the petition. Total Population is around 450.
Over 20,000 people from North Korea have signed the petition.
Now... a really sharp guy like you.... do you think it is legit - or arse gravy?
And one guy on Reddit - has admitted to hacking the site- and keeps adding signatories.
IIRC - he provided some proof this morning.
IIRC2 - Someone posted up it was closer to 360,000 people signed the petition without the aid of spam bots.
These petitions are just a manifestation of the stupidity of the online generation. We had a vote, an actual vote. Recorded, registered, individually, in private, under the auspices of the Electoral Commission. Why would a poxy online petition have any weight whatsoever?
I'm sure there was one after the Tories got in as well, there were certainly street protests. Ignored. As this will rightly be.
Troubleatmill said:
Edinburger said:
DocJock said:
A referendum DID settle it.
Scotland voted to stay as part of the entity which just voted to leave the EU.
Settled? The 3,311,965 people who have signed the petition think otherwise! That's the petition for the Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.Scotland voted to stay as part of the entity which just voted to leave the EU.
Too close to be decisive? Not sure how I feel about that.
Over 40,000 people from the Vatican have signed the petition. Total Population is around 450.
Over 20,000 people from North Korea have signed the petition.
Now... a really sharp guy like you.... do you think it is legit - or arse gravy?
And one guy on Reddit - has admitted to hacking the site- and keeps adding signatories.
IIRC - he provided some proof this morning.
IIRC2 - Someone posted up it was closer to 360,000 people signed the petition without the aid of spam bots.
I didn't know that!
Edinburger said:
Settled? The 3,311,965 people who have signed the petition think otherwise! That's the petition for the Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.
Too close to be decisive? Not sure how I feel about that.
Don't you think though that if Scotland voted for Independence on a Thursday by 52/48 by Friday after everyone sobered up there wouldn't also be a bit of a "oh my god - what have we done" when the reality of the bankruptcy sets in?Too close to be decisive? Not sure how I feel about that.
Do you think the 60/75 turnout rule should be applied to any potential Indy ref?
confused_buyer said:
Do you think the 60/75 turnout rule should be applied to any potential Indy ref?
Regardless of your politics.... it should be a binary referendum - and the majority decides.If you go 60 or 75% - nothing will ever ever change.
So it is unfair.
The country voted. The result was what it was. We go in that direction - and make the very best of it.
davepoth said:
glazbagun said:
davepoth said:
glazbagun said:
Wait, there someone who is leading? Who?
The British public. glazbagun said:
davepoth said:
glazbagun said:
davepoth said:
glazbagun said:
Wait, there someone who is leading? Who?
The British public. It's quite entertaining to watch in a fatalistic way.
Leithen said:
glazbagun said:
davepoth said:
glazbagun said:
davepoth said:
glazbagun said:
Wait, there someone who is leading? Who?
The British public. Curiously enough, no-one in a position to do so is showing much inclination....
gadgetmac said:
Garvin said:
Nobody, but nobody, forced Scotland to remain in a union with rUK. Scotland were given a referendum and voted to stay in the union in the full knowledge that there would be a referendum on that union's membership of the EU.
Did the whole of fluffniks post simply fly over your head?Garvin said:
gadgetmac said:
Did the whole of fluffniks post simply fly over your head?
Not at all. Only the most stupid would believe anyone who supposedly guarantees the result of a referendum yet to be held. To then moan about it when that referendum does not provide the apparently guaranteed outcome compounds that stupidity to a level associated with morons.I know one Polish person who only voted "No" because she feared her home, Edinburgh, would be torn out of the EU, I doubt she was alone.
gadgetmac said:
Yes, because she hasn't been chasing independence all of her political career, just this last few days.
Whether you agree with her politics or not she's a strong leader with determination and a plan. But that the rest of the UK could have the same, we'll have to suffer the bumbling of either Boris or Corbyn.
Entirely subjective.Whether you agree with her politics or not she's a strong leader with determination and a plan. But that the rest of the UK could have the same, we'll have to suffer the bumbling of either Boris or Corbyn.
Speaking assertively off a set of notes does not automatically make for a strong leader. Strong leadership is about integrity, which, measured objectively, is something she is found lacking in. And as for a plan... Well, if her plan is simply appease the feckless masses with notions of freedom, then she's undoubtedly been effective at that; albeit simply hanging onto the coat tails of Salmond (a man I respected, even if I didn't agree with him).
She is determined though.
Edited by tenfour on Monday 27th June 06:05
gadgetmac said:
technodup said:
ou remember we had a referendum just 20 months ago? Where we made OUR choice?
The choice that was for a generation?
I'm fking sick of the SNP, Sturgeon, Salmond and their rag tag bunch of deluded fknugget supporters. No means no. Go away, take some time, have a think and come back to us in a decade. Until then fk off.
Well Edinburger a couple of pages back plus others on here and members of my family who all voted to remain part of the UK disagree with you. Only a referendum can settle it The choice that was for a generation?
I'm fking sick of the SNP, Sturgeon, Salmond and their rag tag bunch of deluded fknugget supporters. No means no. Go away, take some time, have a think and come back to us in a decade. Until then fk off.
I'm embarrassed that so many of my fellow Scots fail to consider this. YOU voted to STAY in the UK, which meant that any decision taken by Westminster hence, is binding on Scotland too. This is what the Scots voted for on 18 September 2014. If you didn't comprehend that, then you should have voted YES in the IndyRef.
And for the Nicola Krankie sympathisers out there, I am intrigued by the logic of leaving one nation of four countries (a nation that conquered the modern world, incidentally), and joining another collective of 27 countries with - and here's the funny bit - EVEN LESS AUTONOMY THAN YOU WOULD HAVE IN THE UK!!! What these fools fail to realise is that Scotland has a st-sight more hope of having its needs and wants considered by being part of the UK than it does being part of a much more diluted collective of 27 nations with very little common ground between them. And, it will pay through the nose for the privilege.
fk me, you couldn't make it up!
fluffnik said:
No EU referendum had been announced when "No" said that only a vote for them would keep Scotland in the EU.
I know one Polish person who only voted "No" because she feared her home, Edinburgh, would be torn out of the EU, I doubt she was alone.
"Announced", no. But to quote the great Nicola Wallace, the EU referendum was at that time most definitely, [altogether now!] "ON THE TABLE".I know one Polish person who only voted "No" because she feared her home, Edinburgh, would be torn out of the EU, I doubt she was alone.
Mr Tidy said:
tenfour said:
Had some Pizza with our Italian neighbours last night. Like many, they were shocked that we voted to leave and also a little envious that, no matter what, they will never have the option to do the same.
I'm a Scottish expat, living in a largely European community in the Middle East. The general consensus so far is that Merkel and friends ought to be really rather worried indeed: Holland, Denmark and possibly even France will start making noises about a referendum soon.
Meanwhile, north of the border, Nicola bd Krankie appears to be the only politician who wants to join Europe
Well she would, wouldn't she - loads of EU subsidies for infrastructure improvements in borderline bankrupt states! But at least the rest of the UK wouldn't be paying for them any more! Good riddance!I'm a Scottish expat, living in a largely European community in the Middle East. The general consensus so far is that Merkel and friends ought to be really rather worried indeed: Holland, Denmark and possibly even France will start making noises about a referendum soon.
Meanwhile, north of the border, Nicola bd Krankie appears to be the only politician who wants to join Europe
Why don't the rest of the UK get a vote on whether we want to maintain a union to subsidise the ungrateful Sturgeonists, who represent less than 10% of the UK electorate? Or would that be more democratic than our political masters are comfortable with (mind you most of them are out of work just now)!
Next referendum please - Scotland out!
My only hope is that Holyrood's opposition manages to knock some sense into these Braveheart fantasists.
tenfour said:
My only hope is that Holyrood's opposition manages to knock some sense into these Braveheart fantasists.
The good thing is, if there is another vote, Ruth Davidson would be the obvious leader of the No campaign (although I'd much prefer a more neutral pair of options this time).She's considerably stronger than anyone Labour has mustered in recent years.
paulrockliffe said:
I rather remember being told by Alex Salmond that the only way for Scotland to guarantee it's future in the EU was to vote to leave the UK.
Then the people rejected that, happy to be guided by the UK as a whole.
...and it turns out he was right!Then the people rejected that, happy to be guided by the UK as a whole.
There is more support for ongoing EU membership (62%) than the continuance of the UK (55%) in Scotland.
I'm far from the only person to value my EU citizenship more than my British citizenship, and it seems that, given the choice of one union or the other, most people in Scotland would choose the EU.
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