Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[Edinburger]

Alpacaman said:

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

This point has been discussed many times on this thread.

I've voted SNP in the past. My wife and kids are English so what does that make me?

Why don't you ask someone like Mike Russell, the SNP MP who is English, if he hates the English.

Seriously. Get over the "they hate the English" rubbish.

Are you saying 0% of the SNP hate the English?

No.

Are you saying 100% of the SNP hate the English?

Nobody said that, however it is a fact that many of them do, as I have personally found out. So please stop coming on here with your fake outrage that anyone could even suggest they are a bunch of English hating knuckle draggers. Some of us have had to deal with the st dealt out by your buddies, in particular in the run up to the referendum, so please excuse me if I couldn't care less where your wife is from. I am afraid most of them are too cowardly to say anything to your face, but are happy to insult you when they think you can't hear or come online with their pathetic opinions.

Just because you're happy to ignore it doesn't make it any less true.

For the avoidance of doubt, what exactly is the "fact"?

Is it that SNP members or activists or supporters hate the English?

Or could it just be a few local neds?

[Sylvaforever]

Edinburger said:

Alpacaman said:

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

This point has been discussed many times on this thread.

I've voted SNP in the past. My wife and kids are English so what does that make me?

Why don't you ask someone like Mike Russell, the SNP MP who is English, if he hates the English.

Seriously. Get over the "they hate the English" rubbish.

Are you saying 0% of the SNP hate the English?

No.

Are you saying 100% of the SNP hate the English?

Nobody said that, however it is a fact that many of them do, as I have personally found out. So please stop coming on here with your fake outrage that anyone could even suggest they are a bunch of English hating knuckle draggers. Some of us have had to deal with the st dealt out by your buddies, in particular in the run up to the referendum, so please excuse me if I couldn't care less where your wife is from. I am afraid most of them are too cowardly to say anything to your face, but are happy to insult you when they think you can't hear or come online with their pathetic opinions.

Just because you're happy to ignore it doesn't make it any less true.

For the avoidance of doubt, what exactly is the "fact"?

Is it that SNP members or activists or supporters hate the English?

Or could it just be a few local neds?

Yeah Ned fking Kelly complete with the electoral role ( the one that's supposed to be private, you know the one with your children's names and DOB in it) when Mr Wishaws "team" came rolling round.

You know I really think there must be more than one Edinburger trolling this forum. Really.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/702058/Sturgeon-t...

Explain that.

Edited by Sylvaforever on Saturday 20th August 20:09

[Alpacaman]

Edinburger said:

For the avoidance of doubt, what exactly is the "fact"?

Is it that SNP members or activists or supporters hate the English?

Or could it just be a few local neds?

Or could it be you haven't a fking clue what you are talking about?

I am past caring about your opinion on anything, so you carry on believing your buddies love the English, and next time I see someone being abused online ,because of which side of a line on a map they were born, I will tell them they are imagining it because edinburger says its not happening.

[r11co]

Edinburger said:

Why don't you ask someone like Mike Russell, the SNP MP who is English, if he hates the English.

I've had dealing with Mike Russell in the past because of my job and I can tell you that he's an arrogant prick who hates everyone who isn't Mike Russell.

Edinburger said:

But then what do you say to this: Surge in English SNP members 'the core message is very attractive'?

That story is from over a year ago, and is reporting a very short-lived period of activity when a handful of people registered at addresses in England joined the SNP on the back of the novelty value of Nicola Sturgeon following her performance in the first 2015 General Election debate (the new 'I agree with Nick' factor).

Events since then have pretty much stemmed the notion that the SNP have anything to offer voters in England.

Membership of the SNP in general is now in decline as many of the single-issue engaged knuckle-draggers who were doorstepped to join in 2014 in the run up to the referendum have let their membership lapse.

As for xenophobia, it is pretty obvious from the oxymoron that the SNP want to remain part of the European Political Union but wish to separate from a union with the English that they are motivated by hatred of them. No amount of euphamisms changes that undeniable fact, 'burger.

Edited by r11co on Saturday 20th August 22:32

[r11co]

Sylvaforever said:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/702058/Sturgeon-t...

Explain that.

Indeed, although this isn't relly news as Jim Sillars posted that exact same letter on social media in the run-up to the EU referendum.

Meanwhile, more SNP lies. It is baffling how the SNP seem to think they can spout any old made-up ste implicating other authoritative bodies (such as the EU and the Bank of England), and then when they get called-out on it they play the victim card.

A new kind of politics?! A new low in politics, more like. The SNP are making the gross error of believing their own hype. A couple of unprecedented election successes (notwithstanding a fair amount of backsliding since) and they think the world genuinely dances to their tune.

Edited by r11co on Saturday 20th August 23:10

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

This point has been discussed many times on this thread.

I've voted SNP in the past. My wife and kids are English so what does that make me?

Why don't you ask someone like Mike Russell, the SNP MP who is English, if he hates the English.

Seriously. Get over the "they hate the English" rubbish.

Are you saying 0% of the SNP hate the English?

No.

Are you saying 100% of the SNP hate the English?

No. Glad we're agreed that a proportion of the SNP hate the English.

[Funk]

RanchoGrande said:

fluffnik said:

I don't want anyone deported, but I'd miss brexiters far less than my many euroneighbours and friends.

It's so, so, so backward that you hate the English/Welsh more than people from the EU - your own Country folk. You hate the Union yet you want to join another much, much bigger Union that you would have even less influence in.

I'm making an assumption that you are also a very strange person in real life, probably bigoted, confused in your ideals and full of bile. Could have totally misjudged this of course, you could be a regular guy, doubtful though.

In think you're probably spot on. fluffnik comes across as being absolutely looney tunes with cognitive dissonance on an epic level.

fluffnik said:

simoid said:

fluffnik said:

I don't want anyone deported, but I'd miss brexiters far less than my many euroneighbours and friends.

Discrimination on the grounds of political beliefs? How lovely.

As I said, I don't want anyone deported, but I can't help feeling that losing the brexiters would have a smaller adverse effect on society and the economy than turfing out the sociable and hard working Europeans who've chosen to make their lives here.

Don't conflate Brexit voters with 'wanting people deported', nothing could be further from the truth. Immigration is important and if needed should be increased - it should be equal for opportunity for citizens from anywhere in the world rather than discriminating unfairly against non-EU residents.

Edited by Funk on Sunday 21st August 11:53

[Edinburger]

Sylvaforever said:

Edinburger said:

Alpacaman said:

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

This point has been discussed many times on this thread.

I've voted SNP in the past. My wife and kids are English so what does that make me?

Why don't you ask someone like Mike Russell, the SNP MP who is English, if he hates the English.

Seriously. Get over the "they hate the English" rubbish.

Are you saying 0% of the SNP hate the English?

No.

Are you saying 100% of the SNP hate the English?

Nobody said that, however it is a fact that many of them do, as I have personally found out. So please stop coming on here with your fake outrage that anyone could even suggest they are a bunch of English hating knuckle draggers. Some of us have had to deal with the st dealt out by your buddies, in particular in the run up to the referendum, so please excuse me if I couldn't care less where your wife is from. I am afraid most of them are too cowardly to say anything to your face, but are happy to insult you when they think you can't hear or come online with their pathetic opinions.

Just because you're happy to ignore it doesn't make it any less true.

For the avoidance of doubt, what exactly is the "fact"?

Is it that SNP members or activists or supporters hate the English?

Or could it just be a few local neds?

Yeah Ned fking Kelly complete with the electoral role ( the one that's supposed to be private, you know the one with your children's names and DOB in it) when Mr Wishaws "team" came rolling round.

You know I really think there must be more than one Edinburger trolling this forum. Really.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/702058/Sturgeon-t...

Explain that.

Edited by Sylvaforever on Saturday 20th August 20:09

Let's agree to disagree on that point then. Oh, and please done even begin to think you know anything about me and my circumstances.

As for that story: it's been discussed in several earlier volumes of this thread. It's an old story. I don't have the desire or the time to debate it again.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

This point has been discussed many times on this thread.

I've voted SNP in the past. My wife and kids are English so what does that make me?

Why don't you ask someone like Mike Russell, the SNP MP who is English, if he hates the English.

Seriously. Get over the "they hate the English" rubbish.

Are you saying 0% of the SNP hate the English?

No.

Are you saying 100% of the SNP hate the English?

No. Glad we're agreed that a proportion of the SNP hate the English.

Silly response really.

A proportion of white people hate black people. A proportion of tall people hate short people. A proportion off blond people hate ginger people. A proportion of protestant people hate catholic people.

Some people just hate.

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

Silly response really.

A proportion of white people hate black people. A proportion of tall people hate short people. A proportion off blond people hate ginger people. A proportion of protestant people hate catholic people.

Some people just hate.

Some Scots just hate being joined to the English that much, they're desperate to go independent despite it being somewhere between daft and suicidal by any objective measure.

[Skyrat]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

Silly response really.

A proportion of white people hate black people. A proportion of tall people hate short people. A proportion off blond people hate ginger people. A proportion of protestant people hate catholic people.

Some people just hate.

Some Scots just hate being joined to the English that much, they're desperate to go independent despite it being somewhere between daft and suicidal by any objective measure.

Yeah, imagine wanting to govern your own country. The lunacy of it.

[simoid]

Skyrat said:

Yeah, imagine wanting to govern your own country. The lunacy of it.

I know, right! But they still keep going on about it. Making some new currency, or sharing the Pound, and going into the EU but not using the Euro, and what not. And we're currently spending something like £65bn per year and taking in £50bn in tax. It's mental. I wouldn't be surprised if spending has exceeded taxation in Scotland by our whole GDP in the last decade.

And all the while, we have control over NHS, police, transport, fire brigades, education and are largely fking it up. We want control over defence and the economy, but we don't, because that's part of NATO and the EU control anyway?

If I didn't laugh at the lunacy, I'd cry

Edited by simoid on Monday 22 August 18:49

[General Price]

Skyrat said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

Silly response really.

A proportion of white people hate black people. A proportion of tall people hate short people. A proportion off blond people hate ginger people. A proportion of protestant people hate catholic people.

Some people just hate.

Some Scots just hate being joined to the English that much, they're desperate to go independent despite it being somewhere between daft and suicidal by any objective measure.

Yeah, imagine wanting to govern your own country. The lunacy of it.

They don't want to govern their own country,they want to join the EU.

[r11co]

General Price said:

They don't want to govern their own country.

Correct - they want to remain in charge of a regional government for as long as possible while creaming-off the large salaries and benefits that go with it. They've acknowledged that independence will end their gravytrain and probably lead to their dissolution. Awkward economic figures generated by their own departments are now buried along with other bad news.

Edited by r11co on Monday 22 August 19:07

[simoid]

contango said:

GERS 2015-16 is due on Wednesday.

Something else to blame Westminster for......

Is it? Not usually March it comes oot?

[simoid]

Oh, Christmas twice this year!

[powerstroke]

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General Price said:

They don't want to govern their own country,they want to join the EU.

This 100%.... its fecking unbelivable , mind I guess they think the EU is a even bigger mug than us English
and there will be a magic money tree planted in holyrood by junker...

Edited by powerstroke on Monday 22 August 23:26

[r11co]

Edinburger said:

As for that story: it's been discussed in several earlier volumes of this thread. It's an old story.

It may be an old story, but the SNP hierarchy are still in complete denial regarding its implications.

Edinburger said:

I don't have the desire or the time to debate it again.

Spoken like one of the true faithful. Does ignoring something really make it go away?!

On three occasions now SNP senior figures have misled the public over their consultations with other bodies regarding key policies - policies where their fudged positions are regarded to have lost them the independence referendum. They do not have a snowball in hell's chance of winning a second referendum until they have concrete answers regarding these issue, and telling lies about them isn't bringing them any closer to a resolution.

Swinney backs down over BoE lie.

Edited by r11co on Tuesday 23 August 09:31

[simoid]

We really should have a wiki of SNP bullst.

[Cobnapint]

It's been non stop since the campaigning for the Indy ref.

Salmond was the founding member, accusing Westminster of 'bluff and bluster' in every interview, when it was in fact the SNP that were constantly spraying bullsh*t at high pressure over everybody and everything.

Sturgeon and the rest of them are just following the example set by him, except this time it's even funnier.