Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
The overall cost for flights for Scottish MPs hasn't actually gone up.
2015/16 - Total £735,466 - Business £598,623 - Economy £136,843
2014/15 - Total £744,217 - Business £60,574 - Economy £241,444 - Not specified £442,199
2013/14 - Total £777,200 - Business £152,925 - Economy £624,275
2012/13 - Total £719,363 - Business £190,480 - Economy £528,883
2011/12 - Total £698,084 - Business £230,099 - Economy £467,985
2010/11 - Total £529,030 - Business £117,489 - Economy £346,779 - Not specified £64,762
- TABLE**
2015/16 - Total £735,466 - Business £598,623 - Economy £136,843
2014/15 - Total £744,217 - Business £60,574 - Economy £241,444 - Not specified £442,199
2013/14 - Total £777,200 - Business £152,925 - Economy £624,275
2012/13 - Total £719,363 - Business £190,480 - Economy £528,883
2011/12 - Total £698,084 - Business £230,099 - Economy £467,985
2010/11 - Total £529,030 - Business £117,489 - Economy £346,779 - Not specified £64,762
FN2TypeR said:
she is seldom at her constituency at all, shock a f
king roo.
Tell us about it, in stark contrast to her predecessor. Still, she wears the rosette, so the knuckledraggers will vote for the objectively useless wee cow. Proves that you don't actually have to be good at your job to be an MP.king roo.Nick Grant said:
Nanook said:
Didn't even know you could fly business from Glasgow to London.
Or are we talking about the front 2 rows on a 319 or 738, which are the same as all the rest of the seats, but with a curtain behind them?
Paying extra at the taxpayers expense, for a business class flight that lasts an hour seems a bit wasteful. Especially from the "We need rid of this career politician" career politician.
The extra money gets you a flexible ticket in case you need to change time, and access to the lounge, fast track security. Not really worth it if you are going to make the flight you booked IMHO. Or are we talking about the front 2 rows on a 319 or 738, which are the same as all the rest of the seats, but with a curtain behind them?
Paying extra at the taxpayers expense, for a business class flight that lasts an hour seems a bit wasteful. Especially from the "We need rid of this career politician" career politician.
no difference to the service on board or seats, but a business class ticket buys you fast track security (which isn't always faster) and lounge access. I fly from Edinburgh to London on BA near-as-dammit every week and it's basically the same service/fares as the Glasgow flights. The only times I've ever come close to a £350 fare is if it's a real last minute booking and all BA 'have left' is business class fares...unless I was to specifically look for a business fare, which I've never done. So if she's on a regular commute and can book some time ahead I'd have thought she'd only have to pay half of that as I regularly do.
She should now have hit Silver level (30 domestic business fare flights) so an economy fare with a Silver card has exactly the same service as a business class fare (lounge access and fast track security), but...tin foil hat time...
...business class fares would earn far more Avios (aka BA miles) than an economy fare; in her position that would be the only difference. I've had travel for a few holidays off my Avios, but then I'm paying the fares. I don't suppose she's trying to 'fast track' earning enough Avios to get free flights to Costa-del-wherever?
Not sure why she needs lounge access anyway - there's no lounge at London City, and none of the others serve Buckie.
BlackLabel said:
The overall cost for flights for Scottish MPs hasn't actually gone up.
2015/16 - Total £735,466 - Business £598,623 - Economy £136,843
2014/15 - Total £744,217 - Business £60,574 - Economy £241,444 - Not specified £442,199
2013/14 - Total £777,200 - Business £152,925 - Economy £624,275
2012/13 - Total £719,363 - Business £190,480 - Economy £528,883
2011/12 - Total £698,084 - Business £230,099 - Economy £467,985
2010/11 - Total £529,030 - Business £117,489 - Economy £346,779 - Not specified £64,762
Point is if they flew exclusively economy that would easily take off £300k of their annual expenses. Significant. - TABLE**
2015/16 - Total £735,466 - Business £598,623 - Economy £136,843
2014/15 - Total £744,217 - Business £60,574 - Economy £241,444 - Not specified £442,199
2013/14 - Total £777,200 - Business £152,925 - Economy £624,275
2012/13 - Total £719,363 - Business £190,480 - Economy £528,883
2011/12 - Total £698,084 - Business £230,099 - Economy £467,985
2010/11 - Total £529,030 - Business £117,489 - Economy £346,779 - Not specified £64,762
r11co said:
FN2TypeR said:
she is seldom at her constituency at all, shock a fking roo.
Tell us about it, in stark contrast to her predecessor. Still, she wears the rosette, so the knuckledraggers will vote for the objectively useless wee cow. Proves that you don't actually have to be good at your job to be an MP.king roo.
But yes, I have heard that she is essentially MIA from her constituency, one report from a friend who lives in the area and says her predecessor was an excellent local MP, which more or less ties in with what you have said, and another friend who lives in London and works at the HoP and says she hangs around like a bad smell!
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This, absolutely and utterly. That was my experience of the man too.I said it at the time and I'll say it again: it was appalling how he was treated in the 2015 GE campaign by SNP activists. The lies and misinformation spread about him were ridiculous, to the extent that they tried to link him to Thatcher's government and the closure of the Linwood car factory (he was high-school age at the time). Mhairi Black even went on Radio Scotland to say Alexander had never been seen in his constituency until the two weeks campaigning before the election, which was a more demonstrable lie than anything Alistair Carmichael was alleged to have said.
It was that more than anyhing - that a genuine, hardworking politician and representative of the public could be outvoted by a propaganda machine supporting an inexperienced gimmick of a person that made me despair for the electorate of my constituency. That some still think the ineffective Ms. Black is a credible choice despite her total non-record beyond one maiden speech (made up entirely of regurgitated sound-bites from her campaign) irritates me constantly. The constituency faced its problems before 2015, but it is now going to rank-and-ruin, another victim of the SNP's blackmailing, scorched earth policy determined to prove that independence is the only cure for what now besets us.
Before his undeservedly ignomimious departure for politics Douglas Alexander was tipped to be a future leader of the Labour Party. How different things could have been......
Edited by r11co on Monday 26th September 17:12
Another non-story. There is no business class option on domestic flights (as tvrolet said).
I fly to London City most weeks to and MPs fly into Heathrow or occasionally City.
BA offer domestic class with/without baggage and flexible tickets. That's your lot and she'd find it more economical in the long run to get a flexible ticket. FlyBe offer a similar proposition, but I avoid them like the plague.
I sometimes see MPs and MSPs in the BA lounge and that's absolutely right. The costs published there seem good value to me. Total non-story.
I fly to London City most weeks to and MPs fly into Heathrow or occasionally City.
BA offer domestic class with/without baggage and flexible tickets. That's your lot and she'd find it more economical in the long run to get a flexible ticket. FlyBe offer a similar proposition, but I avoid them like the plague.
I sometimes see MPs and MSPs in the BA lounge and that's absolutely right. The costs published there seem good value to me. Total non-story.
r11co said:
FN2TypeR said:
she is seldom at her constituency at all, shock a fking roo.
Tell us about it, in stark contrast to her predecessor. Still, she wears the rosette, so the knuckledraggers will vote for the objectively useless wee cow. Proves that you don't actually have to be good at your job to be an MP.king roo.te constituency MP as he(or his office) doesn't reply to or acknowledge emails or letters, making the funny wee man he replaced measurably better, even if he is a libdem. Whatever his failings as a politician might have been, you got replies when you sent Alan Reid emails. It's not even party political, as on some of the issues I contacted him about I broadly agreed with the expressed policy of the SNP(don't get excited, we're talking about obvious stuff like 'It would be a good idea if the RAF had long range maritime patrol capability again'). Maybe you have to be a card carrying member to get the time of day out of him.Edinburger said:
Another non-story. There is no business class option on domestic flights (as tvrolet said).
I fly to London City most weeks to and MPs fly into Heathrow or occasionally City.
BA offer domestic class with/without baggage and flexible tickets. That's your lot and she'd find it more economical in the long run to get a flexible ticket. FlyBe offer a similar proposition, but I avoid them like the plague.
I sometimes see MPs and MSPs in the BA lounge and that's absolutely right. The costs published there seem good value to me. Total non-story.
What do you mean non story? I fly to London City most weeks to and MPs fly into Heathrow or occasionally City.
BA offer domestic class with/without baggage and flexible tickets. That's your lot and she'd find it more economical in the long run to get a flexible ticket. FlyBe offer a similar proposition, but I avoid them like the plague.
I sometimes see MPs and MSPs in the BA lounge and that's absolutely right. The costs published there seem good value to me. Total non-story.
Dramatic increase in business class flights from SNP MPs. Hmm now they could have flown economy and saved the public purse a significant amount.
Not sure why you have tried to defend them when the evidence is very clear - the sole change between past years and last year is 58 SNP MPs and then individual SNP MOs have huge BClass flights. Certainly not representing the people and certainly acting far far worse than other MPs had previously.
No worries though it's a non story apparently.
Welshbeef said:
Edinburger said:
Another non-story. There is no business class option on domestic flights (as tvrolet said).
I fly to London City most weeks to and MPs fly into Heathrow or occasionally City.
BA offer domestic class with/without baggage and flexible tickets. That's your lot and she'd find it more economical in the long run to get a flexible ticket. FlyBe offer a similar proposition, but I avoid them like the plague.
I sometimes see MPs and MSPs in the BA lounge and that's absolutely right. The costs published there seem good value to me. Total non-story.
What do you mean non story? I fly to London City most weeks to and MPs fly into Heathrow or occasionally City.
BA offer domestic class with/without baggage and flexible tickets. That's your lot and she'd find it more economical in the long run to get a flexible ticket. FlyBe offer a similar proposition, but I avoid them like the plague.
I sometimes see MPs and MSPs in the BA lounge and that's absolutely right. The costs published there seem good value to me. Total non-story.
Dramatic increase in business class flights from SNP MPs. Hmm now they could have flown economy and saved the public purse a significant amount.
Not sure why you have tried to defend them when the evidence is very clear - the sole change between past years and last year is 58 SNP MPs and then individual SNP MOs have huge BClass flights. Certainly not representing the people and certainly acting far far worse than other MPs had previously.
No worries though it's a non story apparently.
Compare those costs to train fares for English MPs and I think you'll be surprised that there's not much difference. In fact, some MPs will probably spend more on train fares.
Air travel is far more productive for MPs. I'm working in London tomorrow and I will leave home at 5.30am, be in the air by 6.40am, be in the City for 8.30am, full day work, leave the office at 4.30pm, fly home at 6.00pm, and be back in my house easily by 8.00pm. For around £250 plus £9 on the DLR. Bargain. Do you want productive MPs?
Also, remember this is MPs - not MSPs. In other threads people complain about MPs not attending Westminster enough!
As for the tweet, there was an election in 2015. Interesting the timeline which was chosen, eh?
You'd all be complaining if Scottish MPs weren't attending parliament!
So after declaring they're against Trident and Faslane, yet still want to be members of a nuclear equipped NATO, and constantly craving separation from Westminster but still being happy to be ruled from Brussels, the latest news from the land of the Scottish Hypocrisy Party is the first delivery of US shale gas to a country which has banned fracking.
First US shale gas arrives at Ineos plant in Scotland - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37474396
First US shale gas arrives at Ineos plant in Scotland - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37474396
Cobnapint said:
So after declaring they're against Trident and Faslane, yet still want to be members of a nuclear equipped NATO, and constantly craving separation from Westminster but still being happy to be ruled from Brussels, the latest news from the land of the Scottish Hypocrisy Party is the first delivery of US shale gas to a country which has banned fracking.
First US shale gas arrives at Ineos plant in Scotland - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37474396
What's your point, caller?First US shale gas arrives at Ineos plant in Scotland - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37474396
Let's not forget the Grangemouth plant supplies power to England too. It's US shale gas.
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