Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
bbc article said:
Ian Murray MP, shadow secretary of state for Scotland, said Labour were concerned about proposed changes to the Barnett Formula.
He said: "The tabling of the Scotland Bill is a significant moment. We will work to ensure the "Vow" made during the referendum is delivered in full, and that means keeping the Barnett Formula alongside more powers to make the Scottish Parliament one of the most powerful devolved Parliaments in the world.
"The test now for the Tories is if they can deliver the devolution Scotland wants without leaving Scotland worse off."
this is what i love about the SNP/Scottish independence/Yes voters, they want to be independent, have all the powers they can, raise their own taxes, set their own budgets........ but only if it goes in their favour. why is it the tories responsibility to make sure scotlands not worse off? this is what the SNP wanted, so they have to make it work. He said: "The tabling of the Scotland Bill is a significant moment. We will work to ensure the "Vow" made during the referendum is delivered in full, and that means keeping the Barnett Formula alongside more powers to make the Scottish Parliament one of the most powerful devolved Parliaments in the world.
"The test now for the Tories is if they can deliver the devolution Scotland wants without leaving Scotland worse off."
or have the realised their magic calculator isnt quite working and they cant offer what they promised and still balance the books? have they finally realised that 'austerity' is actually needed for a while to help balance the government defecit?
From the linked story:
"The test now for the Tories is if they can deliver the devolution Scotland wants without leaving Scotland worse off"
Surely this should read:
"The test now for the Scottish government is if they can work with the devolution they wanted without leaving Scotland worse off"
"The test now for the Tories is if they can deliver the devolution Scotland wants without leaving Scotland worse off"
Surely this should read:
"The test now for the Scottish government is if they can work with the devolution they wanted without leaving Scotland worse off"
Ian974 said:
From the linked story:
"The test now for the Tories is if they can deliver the devolution Scotland wants without leaving Scotland worse off"
Surely this should read:
"The test now for the Scottish government is if they can work with the devolution they wanted without leaving Scotland worse off"
No because that would be grown up politics and the SNP are political children. Sturgeon was carping yesterday how we should only leave the EU if a majority in each home nation wanted to leave, so the 2.5m people in Wales should be able to block the will of the other 60 odd million? She just doesn't understand or want to understand democracy. "The test now for the Tories is if they can deliver the devolution Scotland wants without leaving Scotland worse off"
Surely this should read:
"The test now for the Scottish government is if they can work with the devolution they wanted without leaving Scotland worse off"
Love this.
The SNP seem to want to change the rules about who can vote in the EU vote - yet it's the exact same criteria for voting for the general election... They seemed happy enough with that so what's changed?
The FFA is a big problem for SNP as if they want more £ then they will have to borrow money directly against Scotland so IF they ever did leave then they will specifically have debt in their own names & id hope the UK Govt unwinds the UK Sovrign debt into each segment of the UK. That way they each pay the full interest charge and pay down their own bit while receiving credits from England.
Would be very interesting especially if they wouldn't incur spending cuts then England simply reduce the credit thus forcing them to either default/borrow more raise tax or cut spending
The SNP seem to want to change the rules about who can vote in the EU vote - yet it's the exact same criteria for voting for the general election... They seemed happy enough with that so what's changed?
The FFA is a big problem for SNP as if they want more £ then they will have to borrow money directly against Scotland so IF they ever did leave then they will specifically have debt in their own names & id hope the UK Govt unwinds the UK Sovrign debt into each segment of the UK. That way they each pay the full interest charge and pay down their own bit while receiving credits from England.
Would be very interesting especially if they wouldn't incur spending cuts then England simply reduce the credit thus forcing them to either default/borrow more raise tax or cut spending
simoid said:
How do you mean, Mojo? Could you enlighten us?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/11/megrahi-cancer-diagnosis-gift-biographer""It allowed his release, it allowed the final stages of the rapprochement between the UK and Libya, and it allowed the Scottish government to allow him out of prison on a legal basis that wasn't one laid down by the hated government in Westminster. It was a tragedy for Megrahi but I think everybody else was punching the air."
Ashton was joined at the talk on the Lockerbie bombing by other high-profile critics of the case. Jim Swire, who lost his daughter in the 1988 bombing of Pan Am flight 103, and Dr Hans Kochler, the United Nations observer at Megrahi's trial in the Netherlands, also took part before a capacity crowd."
Unfortunate that you refuse to believe that the trial events were nothing more that a sham.
Even the relatives of the deceased believed him innocent...
Oh and didn't we do so well out of Libya oh hang on......
malks222 said:
bbc article said:
Ian Murray MP, shadow secretary of state for Scotland, said Labour were concerned about proposed changes to the Barnett Formula.
He said: "The tabling of the Scotland Bill is a significant moment. We will work to ensure the "Vow" made during the referendum is delivered in full, and that means keeping the Barnett Formula alongside more powers to make the Scottish Parliament one of the most powerful devolved Parliaments in the world.
"The test now for the Tories is if they can deliver the devolution Scotland wants without leaving Scotland worse off."
this is what i love about the SNP/Scottish independence/Yes voters, they want to be independent, have all the powers they can, raise their own taxes, set their own budgets........ but only if it goes in their favour. why is it the tories responsibility to make sure scotlands not worse off? this is what the SNP wanted, so they have to make it work. He said: "The tabling of the Scotland Bill is a significant moment. We will work to ensure the "Vow" made during the referendum is delivered in full, and that means keeping the Barnett Formula alongside more powers to make the Scottish Parliament one of the most powerful devolved Parliaments in the world.
"The test now for the Tories is if they can deliver the devolution Scotland wants without leaving Scotland worse off."
or have the realised their magic calculator isnt quite working and they cant offer what they promised and still balance the books? have they finally realised that 'austerity' is actually needed for a while to help balance the government defecit?
ellroy said:
Since when has Scotland had the White Rose?
I thought the national flower was the thistle?
Didn't they look a bunch of tw*ts.I thought the national flower was the thistle?
They behave like kids in the commons, taking selfies on their first day, and clapping like North Koreans during their Westminster leaders speech today, and quite rightly b
ked by the speaker.Re Megrahi, I'll take the views of those who actually lost loves ones over the sour comments of the malcontents on here
Is it the fact that Scotland showed compassion to a dying man whose victims where inclined to believe he had been fitted up that winds up the Unionists on here or the fact that Scotland ignored the wishes of the imperialist warmongers and by association their wee lapdog supporters?
Is it the fact that Scotland showed compassion to a dying man whose victims where inclined to believe he had been fitted up that winds up the Unionists on here or the fact that Scotland ignored the wishes of the imperialist warmongers and by association their wee lapdog supporters?
Cobnapint said:
ellroy said:
Since when has Scotland had the White Rose?
I thought the national flower was the thistle?
Didn't they look a bunch of tw*ts.I thought the national flower was the thistle?
They behave like kids in the commons, taking selfies on their first day, and clapping like North Koreans during their Westminster leaders speech today, and quite rightly b
ked by the speaker.
simoid said:
malks222 said:
bbc article said:
Ian Murray MP, shadow secretary of state for Scotland, said Labour were concerned about proposed changes to the Barnett Formula.
He said: "The tabling of the Scotland Bill is a significant moment. We will work to ensure the "Vow" made during the referendum is delivered in full, and that means keeping the Barnett Formula alongside more powers to make the Scottish Parliament one of the most powerful devolved Parliaments in the world.
"The test now for the Tories is if they can deliver the devolution Scotland wants without leaving Scotland worse off."
this is what i love about the SNP/Scottish independence/Yes voters, they want to be independent, have all the powers they can, raise their own taxes, set their own budgets........ but only if it goes in their favour. why is it the tories responsibility to make sure scotlands not worse off? this is what the SNP wanted, so they have to make it work. He said: "The tabling of the Scotland Bill is a significant moment. We will work to ensure the "Vow" made during the referendum is delivered in full, and that means keeping the Barnett Formula alongside more powers to make the Scottish Parliament one of the most powerful devolved Parliaments in the world.
"The test now for the Tories is if they can deliver the devolution Scotland wants without leaving Scotland worse off."
or have the realised their magic calculator isnt quite working and they cant offer what they promised and still balance the books? have they finally realised that 'austerity' is actually needed for a while to help balance the government defecit?
Strocky said:
You forgot the atrocity of eating chip butties in the canteen as well, the scum that they are, 56 by-elections should be triggered by tomorrow (even for the vegetarian SNP MP's) it's an affront to democracy
The SNP are an affront alright - to the respect of parliament, it's history and procedures.From not properly swearing allegiance to the Queen, to sitting out the Queens speech in the commons - I don't think the SNP have any intention whatsoever of sticking to their pledge of working together for the good of the UK.
They are a group of renegade trouble makers that have been dropped behind enemy lines, who's sole mission is to f*ck over the government any which way it can.
ellroy said:
Since when has Scotland had the White Rose?
I thought the national flower was the thistle?
They apparently wish to install me, or one of my relatives as their Regent.I thought the national flower was the thistle?
Twerps. They should study the history of their brethren and reflect on the division and damage once inflicted by the movement they seek to associate with.
Strocky said:
Re Megrahi, I'll take the views of those who actually lost loves ones over the sour comments of the malcontents on here
Is it the fact that Scotland showed compassion to a dying man whose victims where inclined to believe he had been fitted up that winds up the Unionists on here or the fact that Scotland ignored the wishes of the imperialist warmongers and by association their wee lapdog supporters?
Which if im not mistaken is overwhelmingly against releasing him -- 258 people murdered Speaks volumes of you if you think a monster like that could be let go. Heck Shipman killed marginally fewer guess he should have been released?Is it the fact that Scotland showed compassion to a dying man whose victims where inclined to believe he had been fitted up that winds up the Unionists on here or the fact that Scotland ignored the wishes of the imperialist warmongers and by association their wee lapdog supporters?
Cobnapint said:
They are a group of renegade trouble makers that have been dropped behind enemy lines, who's sole mission is to f*ck over the government any which way it can.
This is the impression I get as well. They don't seem to want to work with anyone, just voice their opinions and stomp on about what they want. Might get them support from die hards, but it's hardly going to produce any results getting everyone else's backs up. If that is how it turns out, how will that help Scotland?Strocky said:
Re Megrahi, I'll take the views of those who actually lost loves ones over the sour comments of the malcontents on here
Is it the fact that Scotland showed compassion to a dying man whose victims where inclined to believe he had been fitted up that winds up the Unionists on here or the fact that Scotland ignored the wishes of the imperialist warmongers and by association their wee lapdog supporters?
Source?Is it the fact that Scotland showed compassion to a dying man whose victims where inclined to believe he had been fitted up that winds up the Unionists on here or the fact that Scotland ignored the wishes of the imperialist warmongers and by association their wee lapdog supporters?
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